A ketogenic diet with fewer vegetables

September 16 2019 by , medical review by in About membership, Bipolar disorder, Dementia, Depression, Fibromyalgia, Keto, Ketosis

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Could you be better off reducing your vegetable intake – or just skip it all together? And could ketosis be helpful for improving Alzheimer’s disease and mood disorders?

This is an interesting interview with psychiatrist Dr. Georgia Ede who will give you an answer to all these questions.

Watch the full interview above (transcript).

Table of contents

  0:05 The benefits of a ketogenic diet
  3:34 Alzheimer’s and keto
  4:50 How healthy are vegetables really?
  9:33 The many problems with the current science
13:05 Is fiber really necessary?

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Reply to comment #35 by charles grashow
Georgia Ede MD
February 3 2018
Hi Charles,

Yes, there are peoples around the world--in the so-called "BlueZones" for example, who appear to contain individuals who live a very very long time compared to our modern expectations. Unfortunately it is impossible for us to know what precisely is responsible for their longevity, because there are so many differences between how they live and how the average westerner lives--not the least of which is that their diets are extremely low in refined carbohydrates and other processed foods. Many of them do eat animal foods, as well, so these are not plant-based folk, for the most part.
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Reply to comment #18 by Peter Phelps
Georgia Ede MD
February 3 2018
Hi Peter,

I welcome the skepticism and appreciate your having given me the benefit of the doubt! Our conversation was informal and impromptu--I didn't know in advance that Ivor wanted to interview me and didn't know what the topics would be until a few minutes before filming, so I wasn't prepared with any references. I have lots of evidence to support my unconventional views in a variety of free articles on my own website http://www.diagnosisdiet.com as well as on Psychology Today https://www.psychologytoday.com/experts/georgia-ede-md. A good place to start would be my vegetables page: http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/ Hope you're having a great weekend!
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Reply to comment #21 by Judy small
Georgia Ede MD
February 3 2018
Hi Judy,

Great question! As Lisa B. mentions in her nice response, our requirement for vitamin C is much lower if we eat a low-carbohydrate diet because sugar competes with vitamin C in the body. Our true requirement is only 10 mg per day to prevent scurvy. There is an excellent, detailed exploration of this topic by my friend and colleague Amber O'Hearn, who is very knowledgeable about all-meat diets: http://breaknutrition.com/ketogenic-diet-vitamin-c-101/
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Reply to comment #39 by Lily
Georgia Ede MD
February 3 2018
Lily, thank YOU so much for putting your OWN information out into the world! So glad to hear that healthier eating has improved your mood symptoms AND your husband's cancer progression--miraculous, really. I hope many will read your comments here and be inspired!
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Reply to comment #37 by Christie
Georgia Ede MD
February 3 2018
Christie, thank you so much for your very kind comments here; I really appreciate your support and am so glad that the tone and content of my work is coming across (to some) as I am intending it. I hope you have a wonderful weekend!
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Reply to comment #40 by Átila
Georgia Ede MD
February 3 2018
Hi Atila,

Just for the record, I agree with you about dairy. I do not eat dairy and advise people to be careful with dairy, as many of us have sensitivities to it and it raises insulin and growth hormone levels in human beings, making it harder to lose weight. Meat does not equal dairy:)

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Reply to comment #41 by Chris W
Georgia Ede MD
February 3 2018
Hi Chris,

Congratulations on your health improvements (and your financial savings)! I agree with your excellent response and also wanted to thank you for voicing your support for these unusual ideas here. I hope that you will someday be able to reintroduce some tasty plants into your diet without suffering any symptoms. I'm down to about a half-dozen or so plant foods that don't seem to bother me much if at all. Unfortunately every time I try to put a new one back in, it seems to backfire:( Hope you're having a great weekend!
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Margaret
February 26 2018
I have been following you ever since I heard your 1st talk/lecture. As a retired nurse and great recipient of LCHF (45-47 lbs already) I say “yes yes” to all you share. I am continuing to live it as I think it is the best example because, as you know, people do not like change,(until there is often a crisis).
Keep up the good work. More and more people are at least curious about the benefits of the diet. I feel like a neighbor since I am only 100ish miles from you.
Stay well!!!! Bless you!
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Olga
July 14 2018
Hello Dr. Ede,
Would you mind telling us which vegetables you are able to tolerate? How often do you eat them? Thank you for all your presentations. Best regards, Olga
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Katheryn
March 4 2019
I may have to take another listen to the podcast, but I didn't hear any discussion of nightshade vegetables which can be big trouble for some. If there are vegetables I disliked as a kid, I still was expected to eat a bit or two, but when I grew up I realized there were a lot of vegetables that didn't come to our table growing up. I suspect they were unfamiliar perhaps not being locally grown by farming families, but I also discovered that even when I ate a dish I really really liked--but my body would then some hours later go into rejection, might be why my mother never provided them. A familial common problem. One of those would be eggplant. I learned I didn't mind the taste at all, but boy, with in few hours every eggplant skin would be boldly rejected. I have a grown man nephew who has learned he has the same problem with potatoes--said he's learned to pass by most things he has identified as a nightshade, but he still will cheat to have tomatoes once in awhile.

It would be good to know how we should evaluate the value of particular vegetables in our diet for best benefit. I am sure not every "let's reconsider" is based on emmissis or diahrea, though THAT should be an obvious red flag.
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Reply to comment #56 by Georgia Ede MD
Anne
March 7 2019
Food for thought! I've been growing more and mor sensitive to dairy on the Ketogenic diet. I now seem to have allergic rhinitis 😳. Fatty sources of meat and 20g or less vegetable carbs is my next plan.

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juan
March 8 2019
hi georgia. I have psoriasis for 10’years and since I eat only fresh beef and lamb (lower i histamines) my symptoms has improved. my skin seems very related to histamines. still I don’t have the other symptoms? is that possible?
I would like to introduce maybe eggs or chicken in the future. which are the first steps? what about coffee and tea?

thank you so much
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Reply to comment #61 by Anne
Cheri Starr
September 15 2019
Have you given up ALL grains for this allergic rhinitis? If not, try this for a few weeks. You have nothing to loose.
No grain
No sugar

Food for thought! I've been growing more and mor sensitive to dairy on the Ketogenic diet. I now seem to have allergic rhinitis 😳. Fatty sources of meat and 20g or less vegetable carbs is my next plan.
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Kathy
September 18 2019
Dr. Ede, I'm a bit late to the party here, but am hoping you can respond to my question. I'd love to have some guidance on doing a keto eating plan, but with fewer veggies as you advocate. You said when you hit 40, low-carb eating didn't work as well (I've found the same thing). You also said you had to cut down on protein. What in the heck do you eat all day long, and how much? I want to know, because I want/need to do that, too!

Even as a child, I've always had trouble with constipation. After 20 years of LC eating, forcing lots of veggies (I always said I ate way more veggies when I started with Atkins than I ever did in my entire life), I ended up with diverticulitis. I've had one bad attack (in the hospital for 4 days) though wouldn't let them do surgery, and have had 2 or 3 mild attacks since. The last one was after trying to do a vegetarian version of keto (recommended by my alternative-care doc, who is vegan). You could have all of 1.5 oz of animal protein each day. Otherwise, it was lots of raw veggies. Within 5 days I had an attack serious enough for me to go to the regular doc for antibiotics. The PA there told me I had to load up on veggies to avoid diverticulitis, "bulk up the stool." HELLO???? You're not listening to me! That's how I got into this mess in the first place!

So, now I want to do keto, but with minimal veggies. Yet you say to keep the protein down, too. Can you provide a sample meal plan for an entire day so I can get some idea of how this can work? Thanks so much!

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