Should you NOT eat your vegetables?
April 12 2017 by Amanda Åkesson, BSc![Amanda Åkesson, BSc]()
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Could you be better off reducing your vegetable intake – or just skip it all together? And could ketosis be helpful in preventing Alzheimer’s disease and treating mood disorders?
This is an interesting interview with psychiatrist Dr. Georgia Ede, who answers all these questions.
You can watch a segment from the video interview above (transcript). The full interview is available on our member site:
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Breakfast: 3 eggs scrambled with bacon and butter, 24 oz of coffee with 3 packets of Splenda and heavy cream.
Lunch: The keto diet cabbage and burger casserole or keto burgers and butter fried cabbage.
Dinner Either the items above that I had for lunch or steak.
I am starting to get frustrated about not losing weight.
I started exercising last week and still no movement on the scale. ( I am up 5 pounds since starting)
I am still fairly new to keto so am definitely not an expert but have found five things that mean I am rarely hungry and am losing weight steadily (15kg in just under 3 months so far). I hope something here helps!
1. Intermittent fasting. I find if I eat breakfast I am hungry for the rest of the day but now that I am used to eating my first meal between 12:30 and 3 (depending on hunger and schedule) I am really satisfied with two meals and actually eat less despite not “restricting” my meal sizes. The first week sucked and I had to keep busy in the morning to avoid watching the clock, but by week 2 I found my focus improved dramatically and I often worked through well into my “eating window”
2. Eating real food. Focusing on buying smaller amounts of really high quality produce has also been really important. Because I am eating smaller and fewer meals (and making 90% of my meals at home) I am happy spending what I used to spend on junk food and takeout on grass-fed beef and dairy. Given the amount of beef described in your diet this could be a significant factor, as my understanding is that grain-fed animal protein has a higher ratio of omega-6 fat which is pro-inflammatory. The cost might be prohibitive depending on your situation, so if you are sticking with grain-fed beef, maybe consider switching to another protein source at lunch (eg salmon or tuna)?
3. Eating a bit more fat and a bit less protein. I am still working on this, but am finding that adding dressings, butter and cream/sour cream to meals is helping. Avocado is also amazing but is just going out of season here. Making the dressings from scratch has also been helpful so I can stick with clean ingredients.
4. Testing ketones. There were a few foods that knocked me out of ketosis that I would not have even thought of. I am only measuring urinary ketones once or twice a day (which I know is far from perfect) but doing this has helped me work out which foods I seem to manage well (eg full fat dairy which I know is a problem for many) and which I don’t (so far the biggest surprise has been a bowl of homemade tomato soup!).
5. Eating slowly and starting with my veg/salad. Taking at least 20 minutes to eat and really paying attention to my food helps me to feel full often without needing to finish my meal (and I used to be what is kindly called a “volume eater” so this was amazing to me!).
Everyone is so different I imagine it can be tricky to find what works for you. I hope you find the tweaks that make LCHF enjoyable for you!
I am also alwasy very fu;; and never hungry. Im amazed on how full I feel with very little food.
Too much protein. I eat twice a day, little to no carbs, but 8 ounces of protein. Not hungry.
Lots of greens, I interment fast.
Not enough exercise. I'm 77 yrs.
Yes, eating too many calories no matter what they are can cause weight gain, but it is a lot harder to do when eating keto.
If you are new to keto I say use stevia if you like it or erythritol if the after taste of the stevia is too much or what ever sweetener you like in a limited basis. If you are stalled and not getting the benefits of the keto diet then start to look at it. The fine tuning of the diet comes as you continue to make it into a lifestyle.
Personally I am trying a month with no sweetners...I am only on day 2 but my goal is to see if my body feels or acts any differently. I had just started testing my ketones and sugars after ingesting artificial sweeteners and know that I react poorly to acesulfame potassium (coke zero) and Ideal brand sweetener (my absolute favorite), but am ok with aspartame (diet coke). The good news about this is that even though the coke zero raises my insulin (not my sugar) I still was loosing weight and had all the other benefits of the diet.
The problem is that the sweet taste, even if it's not sugar, does stimulate the pancreas to create an insulin response.
And insulin is a fat storing agent . What I am trying to say, not very well, is that insulin tells our body to store nutrients as fat, instead of using it for energy.
So sweet taste > insulin response >fat storage>weight gain
😟 Bummer.
Fortunately, I don't like things as sweet as I used to after a few years on low(ish) carb.
A lot of things taste too sweet for me now. So this girl who used to be a sweet tooth is not so much anymore.
I have a MS in nutrition and am miffed a psychologist is spreading this misinformation. Her individual experience should not be generalized as blanket dietary advice. Be smart consumers of food and knowledge!
You may find this article helpful.
https://www.dietdoctor.com/are-supplements-necessary
Supplements cannot replace a whole foods diet. Nutrients in isolation do not work like they do in whole foods due to the stunningly complex system that is our metabolism. While most diseases are not caused by mineral and vitamin deficiencies, as mentioned in the article above, they can be exacerbated by these imbalances. Co-morbidity of Type 2 Diabetes and Vitamin C deficiency, for example, can mean that someone who is insulin resistant and therefore does not gain proper energy from carbohydrates will be even more exhausted due to the fact that they aren't properly absorbing iron, a process in which Vitamin C is a catalyst. Not getting enough oxygen to our red blood cells is not a great combo with Type 2 Diabetes.
My point stands, that cutting out all vegetables is not a smart choice for the majority of people. This person's story is not general medical advice. Many of the most vitamin and mineral rich foods on earth are vegetables. As supplements cannot replace them, vegetables should be consumed, in a great variety, for optimal health.
You do know they have come about from eating a food pyramid diet that was full of
carbohydrates (yes, am referring to the bulk of vegetables and grains that even now
some nutritionists are pushing ) Stranger even is that many who are vegetarian end up
reaching for supplements as they feel poorly over time and the reality is that their bodies
struggle to get the potassium out of their vegetable laden diet even though it has more
potassium as they need to ingest a larger amount to get the actual dose required from the food.
The antitoxins within them are playing havoc with the gut and you really should get some newer
science on board which verifies that green leafy ingestion can lead to leaky gut, etc.
The plant matter interferes with a human's digestion.
A meat based diet with meat fat from grass fed animals however delivers enough potassium
to the body in a more easily digested way even though the amount within the flesh is smaller
in dosage. Seriously make you consider that the human digestion is set up for this very way
of eating.
I believe human's are designed to eat a far smaller amount of vegetable matter than what has
been available on the menu for the last 30 years. Look to the past and see films that show a population
that was not obese like it is today in the western world at least. Our grandparents ate a protein based diet
with maybe a few serves of vegetables. Sure they did not eat all the fast food either. They also ate lard
and animal fats because there were no seed oils available generally at that time.
Almost a year ago I went keto and still included salads etc into that diet. I was trying to address several
chronic presentations in my body that were impacting on my functioning fully in life. Of course I lost
weight and also believe I missed the bullet on becoming a type 2 diabetic. Eventually I went virtually
carnivore for the last 4 to address gastro intestinal issues. Found that I had to cut out the almond
milk and almond meal recommended by many when going keto as it became obvious that on some
level my body was sensitive to nuts. Might I add that my energy levels were severely compromised
prior to going ketogenic and I have now gone from being up for 6 hours a day to 12 hours after being
mainly protein and fat based. This is like a miracle for me. No longer am I in pain as similar to fibromyalgia,
my range of movement is normal and my body is fat adapted. Added to that my metabolic stall seems to
be over with my cells now able to give me the energy release when I demand it. This is great!
Am so tired of hearing about the push / agenda in the world to promote a plant based diet. It is truly
a scary prospect for humans.
It’s important to eat every three hours, you need to look at your overall counts of carbs to stay within the range for ketosis, however you have to be using sticks or monitors to actual see where you fall on a daily basis.
You shouldn’t be consuming more than about 30 grams per meal for protein, from what I’m reading a lot of people are pounding out the protein in insane amounts on here. It can be harmful and your body can only use so much at one time. And you can hurt your kidneys.
It’s important that you monitor and figure out how many calories you need daily based on health conditions, your lifestyle, your activity level and your goals for yourself. There is no instant fix and eating two times a day isn’t going to lead to loss. Over 12 years ago I ate 3 times a day under 1200 calories and I knew better but that’s what the dietary guidelines for the US promotes and the pyramid is screwed up as well as the height weight requirements for the US. Any physician will tell you that. I now eat anywhere from 1200-1400 calories a day, exercise 2 hours 5 days a week and have maintained a loss of over 75 pounds for over 10 years. If at times I’m not in ketosis, I know it but right now I’m at a healthy weight and really have no idea how dieticians are trained. Not everyone is a cookie cutter diet, and my caloric Intake when it’s bumped up to about 1350 I gain with an hour of cardio and weight training 5 days a week and it’s not muscle. So you as you go in your journey need to make sure about heart conditions, all thyroid levels, and all the other things on a metabolic panel test and your medications. I hear all the time, you don’t eat enough, but I do for my body’s needs;)! I’m healthy, happy and no longer feel tired, and my labs show all the positive changes. Keto is a way, a tool, but overall you have to monitor and make changes. You need to cycle out of Keto every 4 weeks or so to be on the safe side. Give your kidneys a break!!! And the booze stay off it, because that will create cravings even if it’s low index.
What was the source and availability, back then ( think virtually all of human history ) , of all the healthy fruits and vegetables humans need for good health?
Considering pre-agriculture, when and how did someone decide that seriously bitter ( toxicity warning ) leaves, tubers and roots would be great healthy food if you manipulated it enough; cooking, spices, sauces, to make it marginally palatable ?
Just wondering.