Paleo f(x) 2015 – Short Video Report

Did you miss the world’s biggest Paleo conference last weekend in Austin? Here’s a 7-minute video report from us, complete with on-site interviews with participants, vendors and stars.

More in-depth and higher-quality video interviews are coming up.

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  1. Sigrid
    Should people, including Jimmy Moore, hide themselves when involved in weight loss struggle? Should only the thin be involved in public discussion of obesity, nutrition, health? Fat-phobia is so pervasive in the developed world that it may even be considered normal by some in a forum where struggle with weight is a norm and compassion might be expected.
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  2. I think some people have not yet realized that people have different challenges in life and that when it comes to weight, the situation is very unfair.

    Comparing Jimmy Moore to Mark Sisson? Come on. Mark Sisson could eat pizza and donuts every day and he still would hardly ever become more than moderately overweight.It's not in his genes.

    Jimmy Moore used to weigh 400 pounds and that was over a decade ago. If he had continued to live like that he would be at 500+ pounds – or dead, like his brother. Instead he's at 300, sometimes even less. But if he smells a donut he gains 10 pounds (I'm only exaggerating a little bit).

    When it comes to weight challenges life is most unfair. Any critic of Jimmy Moore, especially people that have not lost 100 pounds or so and kept it off more than a decade, should perhaps think about that first.

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  1. Stephen
    Interesting report. But I'm not sure about the tapioca flour pizza for LCHF though. Tapioca flour is just about as high in carbs as wheat flour. Does Paleo allow such high-carb foods? LCHF pizza is best made with coconut flour or almond flour. I have had both, and they are delicious.
  2. Kathy
    I have had very good success on a low carb diet. However, a couple of months ago I tried to go lower carb higher fat and trusting I would eat only when I felt hungry. Meaning I did not track my food and calories which I had been doing for a year. Well, I gained 4 lbs. Is this happening to Jimmy Moore? Is he following low carb high fat? Or is paleo something different than low carb high fat? It seems to me that calories absolutely count no matter the diet followed. I will continue low carb dieting but have to tweak my intake of fat so that I can stay in my caloric weight maintenance range.
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  4. Sigrid
    Should people, including Jimmy Moore, hide themselves when involved in weight loss struggle? Should only the thin be involved in public discussion of obesity, nutrition, health? Fat-phobia is so pervasive in the developed world that it may even be considered normal by some in a forum where struggle with weight is a norm and compassion might be expected.
  5. Stephen
    I agree with Sigrid. Let's have a little human compassion here for Jimmy Moore. We don't know what he is going through or why he may be overweight. There are a lot of reasons besides diet that can cause weight gain. And even if he is losing the struggle against weight gain, slipping on his diet, does that make his ideas suddenly repugnant? We shouldn't shun people because of the way they look. Jimmy Moore may yet have a lot to add to our knowledge of LCHF. Give him a break, please.
  6. Debra
    Yes, I think compassion is needed in how we treat everyone. But, I just don't think someone who is clearly not a good representative of the movement should be touted and an expert and an example. Something is not right with Jimmy's program. I suspect that he has fallen off the low carb wagon, or just plain out eats too much, but he's started to make a living from promoting low-carb eating, and now really has no other choice, so he has to keep up the charade. He's probably like many of us food/sugar addicts, and keeps promising himself that he will get back on track on Monday. It's sad, but I also cringe at his being held up as an expert or great example. If you've been low-carb or paleo for over a year, or more, shouldn't you be fit and lean? That's what the promise is.
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  7. Lori Miller
    There are reasons people gain weight that have nothing to do with diet: other hormonal issues (low thyroid, sex hormones, a tumor on the pancreas or at the part of the brain that helps regulate insulin, medications, gut bacteria and other factors). See Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes. If government hadn't poured decades and billions of dollars down the rathole of research on low-fat diets, these things might have been investigated more.
  8. Lori Miller
    "If you've been ... paleo for over a year, or more, shouldn't you be fit and lean?"

    Not necessarily. Paleolithic venus figurines tend to depict apple- and pear-shaped women. A typical paleolithic woman might not have been shaped that way. But the artists of the time clearly knew what a woman looked like carrying a lot of extra pounds.

  9. Barbara
    Surely it is more to do with how healty you are. Surely one does not expect all Paleo followers to be good looking and lean . Jimmy Moore is in much better health and shape than he was and knocking him and others like him does nobody any favours..
  10. Vicente
    Niksunen and Pierre are clearly trolls. No normal user would insult a person that is trying to do his best to be healthy but doesn't get all the results he wants.

    About Debra, I don't know. "good representative of the movement"? Unless you get results on a specific diet then you are eating sugar and you are a bad "representative of the movement"? Do you really think, Debra, that there is such thing as "eating too much"? Too much related to what?

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  12. Vicente
    Hi Mike B,

    "idiot"?

    Please, show me the law that says low-carb/paleo WOE works for everybody. No matter your genetics. No matter what you ate for decades before learning about low-carb/paleo. No matter your health condition.

    "idiot"?

    I have been obese. I have no problem listening to a guy that can't lose weight.

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  13. Mike B
    Vicente, LCHF or not, perhaps you're looking for the law of thermodynamics (http://muller.lbl.gov/TRessays/22-ThePhysicsDiet.htm). Eat less calories, lose weight.

    Or a better example might be the fact that he HAS lost weight doing LCHF, not just eating less calories. People seem to be blinded by the fact that he has clearly fallen off the wagon, and given enough willpower and desire to change, he absolutely can lose that weight again (just like he did last time).

    You have been obese yourself so you know exactly how difficult it is to lose weight. Difficult, not impossible. Certainly not impossible for him as he's done it before. No one should be purchasing a book on health from a fat guy who has no desire to lose weight. Look at his side profile in the video for goodness sake. That is not someone who's years into LCHF, thats someone who eats mcdonalds 3 times a day.

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  14. Lori Miller
    Mike B, since you seem to consider yourself an authority on the subject, and Jimmy doesn't know anything after spending over ten years interviewing experts on low-carb, paleo and ketogenic diets, why don't you contact him and tell him what he's doing wrong? I'm sure he hasn't thought of trying harder at ketosis.

    Re: your last post...please come back after you're read Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes, where he addresses thermodynamics, calories and fast food restaurants.

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  15. Mike B
    Lori, you have to be kidding me. Look at pictures and videos of him from a few years ago, now compare that to this video. LCHF burns fat, this guy is very fat. It's fair to assume that he is not in fact ketogenic and eating far too many calories.

    Edit: I can't even believe I'm having this argument about a very overweight guy selling a health book. Have I dropped into a parallel universe??

  16. Vicente
    "Eat less calories, lose weight"?
    "willpower and desire to change"?

    Mike B, only a zealot would argue that LCHF HAS to work and if it doesn't then you are not following the diet. I am sorry, but you are not worth my time.

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  17. Mike B
    What about those 2 things you quoted was incorrect?

    I'm not a zealot, i've had great success following LCHF for the last year. I know that when i've eaten the wrong things, i've gained weight, and when i got back to it, i've lost weight.

    I simply cannot fathom why anyone is defending Jimmy. Give me some valid reasons after acknowledging that he has had success with it in the past and is now overweight again, showing that his body is more than capable of LCHF success.

    When you get some free time, watch this video - https://youtu.be/wsjbg3VL-KQ - They explain the situation much better than i can.

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  18. Vicente
    Troll, troll, troll...
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  19. Mike B
    "ANYONE WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION TO MINE IS A TROLL"

    Cognitive dissonance is strong with you my friend.

  20. Lori Miller
    Mike, Jimmy *gained weight* some years ago on LCHF. There are people who don't lose on ketogenic diets (see comment above). As for fast food, I have two nephews who eat nothing but McDonald's (including the buns, fries and sugary sodas) and aren't obese. They're both over 40.

    Since you seem unwilling to read a book on the subject, let me provide a few highlights from WWGF: a women who was obese from the waist down and thin from the waist up (was her bottom half eating too much?); Zucker rats, which, in experiments, have starved to death with much of their fat still on them; two chapters on why invoking the laws of thermodynamics is useless; and another chapter on the laws of adiposity. To quote: "It doesn't matter, though, what technique is used to make the [lab] animals obese; they'll still get that way, or at lease significantly fatter (just as Wade's rats did), whether or not they can eat any more calories than otherwise identical animals that remain lean. They get obese not because they overeat but because the surgery or breeding or genetic manipulation or even change in diet has disturbed the regulation of their fat tissue. They begin stockpiling calories as fat, and then their bodies have to compensate: they eat more, if possible; they expend less energy if not. Often they do both."

  21. Mike B
    Lori, Jimmys weight loss on LCHF was excellent and highly commendable, I'm not sure when you're referring to. See here (http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/de/df/dedf68c252478e6f56bcc6211489c659.jpg?itok=59FIjDAS)

    Regarding your nephews, I'm not a fan of anecdotal evidence.

    Thank you for the recommendation, I haven't read the book, but I will. All of this evidence while valid in these tests, means nothing in the context of Jimmy Moore. As seen in the picture above, his body is fully capable of LCHF success meaning that any genetic arguments can be ruled out.

    If i had to guess, i would say the most likely story is that he started making money through his success and his lifestyle changed from LCHF to high carb. Watch the video i posted in an above comment. The 2 guys there delve much deeper into what he's all about than i can.

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  22. erdoke
    I thought it took only a few weeks of deliberate reading to identify that weight gain (and weight loss) is the result of different hormones playing together and that the root cause is not too many calories. There are at least three different hormones which could make you fat despite your best efforts. Yes, one pill a day and you are trapped. Does it matter how you explain the result? Lack of willpower, overeating or anything else? No, it does not. Hormones make you fat, hence this is what needs to be fixed.
    Maybe Jimmy cannot sleep enough and has been really under stress for the last year or so. Continuously elevated cortisol can keep insulin high regardless of a diet intended to be ketogenic. Perhaps his devotion to educating others represents the mentioned stress factor. Or it might be something else. Bringing up the calorie and willpower stuff over and over again is just as lame as the similar arguments from authorities.
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  23. I think some people have not yet realized that people have different challenges in life and that when it comes to weight, the situation is very unfair.

    Comparing Jimmy Moore to Mark Sisson? Come on. Mark Sisson could eat pizza and donuts every day and he still would hardly ever become more than moderately overweight.It's not in his genes.

    Jimmy Moore used to weigh 400 pounds and that was over a decade ago. If he had continued to live like that he would be at 500+ pounds – or dead, like his brother. Instead he's at 300, sometimes even less. But if he smells a donut he gains 10 pounds (I'm only exaggerating a little bit).

    When it comes to weight challenges life is most unfair. Any critic of Jimmy Moore, especially people that have not lost 100 pounds or so and kept it off more than a decade, should perhaps think about that first.

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  24. Nate
    Sorry, Mike B, but you sound a bit like Dean Ornish or the authors of the Dietary Guidelines. They like to blame the patient for not following their perfect diet.

    Now, before i go further, I am not saying Jimmy has not fallen off the low carb wagon. Maybe he has. I'm just arguing that the anecdotal evidence of a picture of him being fat does not mean he is eating a high carb diet.

    We are not machines. As Gary Taubes has endlessly argued, we are complex biological beings that are controlled by hormones way more than most of us can appreciate. Further, insulin resistance increases with age. Not only does IR increase with age, but many other organs in the body slow down and some even stop functioning. Any number of these organs could be complicit in his weight gain, not to mention this whole new field of the microbiology in our guts.

    Many are wondering if Jimmy should be a representative for the LCHF community. Well, I don't know about that at this time. But I do wonder why the DD decided to show that profile of him? Was the doc guilty of trying to shame Jimmy or was it just an innocent edit? I suspect the later. Or maybe the doc was hoping to generate a discussion about what is happening with Jimmy?

  25. erdoke
    I just found this recent forum reply by Tom Naughton to Charles Grashow. Let me quote the second part (the first is about the examples he refers to):

    The point is, Charles, you should probably stop being such an incredible jackass, gloating about Jimmy’s weight gain. You don’t know what’s going in his body. Maybe he’s like one of those “resistant obese” people who mystified the doctors.

    In my dream world, you and all the other jackasses who take such glee in piling on Jimmy would wake up one day weighing 300 pounds, with Jimmy’s genetics and metabolic issues, whatever they are. Then you’d all have a golden opportunity to demonstrate your superior knowledge of what causes weight gain and weight loss.

  26. Lori Miller
    You must be new to LCHF--or else unaware that Jimmy's weight has fluctuated quite a bit over the years, even while doing LC. And critics have piled on every time he gained weight.

    You say you're "not a fan of anecdotal evidence," but earlier you said, "You [Vincente] have been obese yourself so you know exactly how difficult it is to lose weight. Difficult, not impossible," and "I'm not a zealot, i've had great success following LCHF for the last year. I know that when i've eaten the wrong things, i've gained weight, and when i got back to it, i've lost weight."

    As for Jimmy losing weight before on LC, so why can't he do it again, metabolism can change. Ten years ago, I was thin and fit on a fairly high-carb diet. This is typical--at one stage of life, something like cutting out beer or soda and getting more exercise can make you lose weight; later on, it takes a mighty effort. Same with most of the lab animals: before the experiments, they were lean; after, they laid down fat *on the same amount of feed.* So it would seem with Jimmy: he clearly has the genes to be obese (most young men couldn't weigh 400 pounds if they tried), and who knows what else is going on with his system?

    It could be that he's fallen off the wagon--I don't know. But I can't imagine he wants to be obese or risk having a heart attack like his brother.

  27. Mike B
    For my last comment, as all of this is getting pretty ridiculous, all i will say is this: An obese man should not be representative of LCHF. He is in poor health as evidenced by his weight. Should we also have somebody with no legs represent the running community? Or should we look up to and take advice from North Korea on Human Rights issues?

    If we use Occam's Razor while discussing Jimmy Moores weight gain, it states that all predictions being equal, the result with the fewest assumptions should be selected. I think the falling off the wagon theory does indeed have the fewest assumptions.

    Do not venerate a disingenuous snake oil salesman.

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  28. bill
    The only ridiculous comments here are yours. You appear
    to be deliberately obtuse when people are trying to explain
    that weight gain is not calories in vs. calories out.
    Weight gain is not necessarily evidence of poor health.
    You don't know what you are talking about and yet you
    continue to be cruel. Please stop.
  29. Murray
    Erdoke, I had thought the same thing about stress and cortisol affecting Jimmy. Continually elevated cortisol leads to continually elevated insulin, a point Dr. Malcolm Kendrick has made in implicating the role of poorly managed stress in developing diabetes.

    Another strategy Jimmy might consider that does not get quite enough emphasis is timing of meals, fasting in particular. Dr. Jason Fung has had considerable success with diabetes patients and fasting. The intuition is to create a long enough insulin pause (long enough with no insulin-stimulating food for fasting insulin levels to drop significantly), so that the body starts burning fat in the liver and pancreas. Fatty liver and pancreas causes hyperinsulinemia and quite often LCHF alone without insulin pausing is insufficient to reverse the elevated insulin, making it hormonally difficult to gain access to stored fat for energy. Hence obese mice can be made to starve while carrying excess body fat, which demonstrates the intellectual poverty of the so-called thermodynamic model of weight management. The CICO-pathic model of weight management has been falsified.

    Jimmy is a wonderful spokesman for LCHF. He is articulate, affable, genuine, diligent and honest. He is a great resource for information, interviewing experts in various metabolic fields. I find him much more enlightening than 30-something Paleo wonks podcasting from their basements. They remind me of bodybuilder types. Here in Toronto my bodybuilding friends used to remark of sprinter Ben Johnson that he would inject rabbit urine if another sprinter told him it would make him run faster. I sense a similar attitude common among vegans and paleos, who try to disguise their geitleist under a cloak of moral superiority. I judge Jimmy by his attitude, the quality of his guests and the science, not his weight.

    I recall in comments to a weight issue column someone saying fat people should do distance cycling because he, a distance cyclist, had never seen an overweight distance cyclist. I replied that that was strong evidence that distance cycling is useless for shedding excess body fat.

  30. tony
    I'm an avid sports fan. I watch football, basketball, baseball, soccer, boxing, track and field, MMA.

    I have never seen a coach, even if they have a championship team, that can play at the level of his/her players.

    So why is there this expectation that JM or anyone in the LCHF camp has to look like a model from GQ or Vogue?

    Aren't facts always facts regardless of where they come from?

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  31. Kathy
    Well, this is a great discussion! I have listened to JM on video and feel he is well read on LCHF. However, can anyone tell me if he is inadvertently encouraging new people to the LCHF lifestyle to eat an absurd amount of eggs and butter and coconut oil (fat in general because it will take them to ketosis)? Has he publicly announced how many calories is takes in a day or does he not track at all? Are we to agree that taking in 3000 calories of fat if our body only burns 2000 is ok just because its fat and not carb? I am starting to get very confused. Is it cortisol or some other hormonal problem that makes us gain weight on LCHF or is it the extra calories??
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  32. bill
    Kathy:

    Why not ask Jimmy those questions on his website?
    He's very responsive.

  33. Vicente
    Hi Kathy,
    the key here is "our body only burns 2000". Your body doesn't burn a fix amount of Calories: it depends on what you eat and the kind of diet you follow. So, what are "extra calories"? They are "extra" if you gain fat, but they are not "extra" if you don't.

    "Extra calories" always make you fat, because that is the meaning of "extra". So, the question may be "can there be extra calories if I eat too much fat?"

    There is no reason why your body can't burn 2000 Cals if you eat 2000 Cals and burn 2500 Cals is you eat 2500 Cals. Read this. Thinking that your body burns a fixed amount of calories and that if you eat more than that then you gain weight, is just wrong thinking IMHO.

    My experience: I lost 24 Kg. I eat eggs, butter and cocononut oil. I don't count calories. I didn't gain the weight back (my weight has been stable for the last 16 months).

  34. Murray
    Insulin is the hormone that makes you store fat. If your insulin is not elevated you will not store fat easily. I tested this by experiment, eating over 5000 calories per day for a couple of weeks, low carb, modest protein very high fat,make exercise as usual. So no increase in energy expenditure but easily double the calories. The result was absolutely no weight gain. Sam Feltham did a similar three week experiment of ove 5000 calories per day and likewise stayed at steady weight. (I recall he gained a pound but reduced his waist measurement.)

    What prompted to do the experiment was reading research that cells in the body low in energy send signals to the liver to up regulate production of bile, so fat is absorbed from the gut. This only made sense from an engineering perspective if otherwise not all fat was taken up from the gut. So, sure enough, putting in 3000 surplus calories of fat per day did not result in fat storage, as insulin stayed low from eating very low carb and modest protein, and cells did not have energy lows from reactive low blood sugar following post-meal insulin rushes. Put simply, the extra fat seems to pass through the GI tract unused because metabolic signalling is not distorted by post-carb insulin surges. I should emphasize, though, that neither of us reduced weight. I would not recommend it as a weight loss strategy.

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  35. erdoke
    Murray,
    The majority of excess calories is burned by increased resting energy expenditure. Body temperature is increased slightly as well as heart rate, etc.
    This is what CICO people do not want to understand, these are not independent parameters in the artificial equation they keep repeating like a parrot.
  36. Zepp
    Well I dont know if Jimmy do tell folks to eat 3000 extra calories at first.. I dont think so?

    Its not extra fat, its fat instead of carbs.. thats the real meaning of High Fat.

    And if one cut out a lot of carbs and replace it with fat.. it gonna be a lot of fat as Energy percetage.. but as fat is energy dens it dont gonna be that much on your plate.

    And to the topic of whats happen whit all those calories if one eats to much.. if you are healty your REE and TEE increse.. and even your mind change.. one cant sit still and need to do things.

    But thats if one is healty and undamaged.

    For most people that LCHF works, they eat less becuse they can use stored fat betwen meals.

    Jimmy do have episodes of reactive hypoglycemia.. in reality he is at least prediabetic?

  37. Nancy
    I really admire Jimmy! I have both of his books and they have helped me follow the LCHF lifestyle. I find Jimmy to be one of the best ambassadors of the LCHF movement. He is an expert on the subject and has helped tens of thousands of people. The LCHF lifestyle is not magic. We will all not look like Robb Wolfe (sp?). Jimmy keeps it real.

    Thank you Dr. E for the peek into Paleo Fx.

  38. Nate
    I just re-watched the video and noticed the great tee shirt that said, "Bacteria is the new black". Oh how true that is.

    The microscopic world is little understood and yet so important to our health. The Weston A Price foundation was the first to clue me into the microbiome in our guts. They lead me to the GAPS Diet by Dr. Campbell McBride. The book gave me a great education about the gut.

    Of course, the micorbiome does not stop at the ends of our gastrointestinal tract, but it roams all over the world. It tries to colonize our dirt so that it turns into soil. Healthy soil is like a super organism that communicates with plants to give them the exact nuitrients they ask for. Further, this super organism provides protection from pests. All of this is done without any, that is no, fertilizers or pesticides or herbicides. Check out one of microbiologist Elaine Ingham talks here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMvpop6BdBA

    Another important benefit provided by the microbiome is clean water. Complete treatment of your sewage requires the action of the microbiome. Your local sewage treatment plant maintains large tanks of bugs (technical term for the microbiome) to capture many pollutants in the water. This concentrated process is just mimicking what is naturally happening in our streams and lakes.

  39. Nate
    Hey, Tony, this comment is even more off topic than my last one, but I noticed that you mentioned MMA in your comment. Well, a few weeks ago, I accidentally watched Ronda Rousey do that flying arm bar. Wow, i could not believe that move. I must have watched that video a dozen times now. Such speed, strength and skill. I've also watch her second match with Miesha Tate a dozen or so times. Her seven or so takedowns in that match are all just awesome.

    To make this comment somewhat relevant to this site, I will say that she, as well as many other MMA fighters, follow versions of the Paleo/LCHF diet. Routinely she must lose ten to fifteen pounds before a fight. She must cut the weight and still not lose her performance level or mental sharpness. What else could she use to accomplish those goals?

    Well, I'm a little embarrassed to say I'm obsessed with her and even have a bit of a crush on her, if that is possible for a 64 year old man.

  40. Butsch
    I have no idea what is going on in Jimmy Moores body and frankly I don't care.

    There are only 2 possibilities:
    1. He is not following the diet properly.
    2. He is following the diet properly but has some condition which prevents him from being lean

    In either case - and this is all "Mike B" is saying - he should not be a representative for an LCHF-diet.

    Should not any advocat of any method (no matter what it is) be the living example that the method works?

    How could you trust a mathematician who can't add 1+1 together?

    I too was shocked how obese Jimmy is, when I saw the first seconds of the video above.

  41. Charles Grashow
    1) I find it very interesting that Dr. Eenfeldt, who posted photos mocking obese Americans - is so willing to give OBESE Jimmy Moore a pass! Why is that?

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/why-americans-are-fat-part-2

    2) Whatever Jimmy and Christine Moore are doing is NOT working - plain and simple. In the past 2 1/2 years Christine has become hypothyroid and is now taking Armour, has had to have kidney stones removed and is now taking Metformin as she has become insulin resistant.

    3) Since 2003 Jimmy Moore has been UNABLE to maintain a reasonably stable weight and has, apparently, GIVEN up trying to lose weight. His new philosphy appears to be HAES (Healthy At Every Size).

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  42. Vicente
    Where do you see the "mocking"?

    That's right. Whatever Jimmy is doing is not working. We can all agree that. The problem comes when people insult or blame a person because he/she is not losing weight. That is not just a question of intelligence, it is also about humanity. First be a person.

  43. Butsch
    I can't see the mocking either.

    Jimmy talks about "real foods" - but advertises junk low-carb foods on his website.

    That's not really credible.

  44. Niki
    Dear all who participate herein,

    The best thing about Paleo is getting the blame and guilt out of eating and losing weight! If I were to have a conversation with anyone who has the same issues as myself and Jimmy, I would never consider blaming him, myself or them for what we have been born with! Some people are simply so much better at gluconeogenisis than others. There are other things that happen to those who are outliers in the LCHF world. Swelling from food intolerances for one. That swelling is a direct and obvious interference with metabolism, because you simply do not feel well--and why should you? Your body is clogged with material that is rejecting. I think paleo woman was one of those, because the fossil record does not support a concept of obesity. Like Dr Attia, I am one of those people who could very well technically speaking, be a carnivor. Not as an identity or political statement, or other agenda, but one who must remain so low in carbs, that creeping out of that is so so easy! I have begun to count the carbs in eggs! Staying under 20 carbs is my sweat zone. --Another issue that has been pointed out by my Dr. Is food additive intolerances. Another is pollution within the food chain or in the air and water. So when I see Jimmy, he reminds me that I am not alone as one having extreme difficulties. Lastly, I am not impressed with all the products, goops, pretend paleo foods at the conference. Nothing ever replaces the feeding frenzie of carbohydrates, so trying to recreate that effect is psychologically disappointing. It is like dealcolized beer! No point in that! All those fake junk foods are gateways back to eating the stuff that re triggers the engorgement of carbs. That may have had a place in our evolution, but today it is like a drug!

    Bye

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