Top 11 biggest lies of mainstream nutrition


What are the biggest lies mistakes of mainstream nutrition? The things that people believe about diet and health that just aren’t true? Here’s a great list:

Authority Nutrition: Top 11 Biggest Lies of Mainstream Nutrition

Update: This page has since been removed.

I would add two more silly mistakes:


  1. bill
    Wow. Almost 300 responses in one day on that site. Every disagreement that can possibly be made - repeatedly.

    I wonder if the mainstream powers that be have set the wolves on the LCHF/paleo blogosphere. If they confuse enough people, they win again.

    After following Diet Dr for 2 years now, there is a noticable increase in challenges to the (great) info on all these sites.

    I'm sad for my sister and others with obesity and chronic diet related health problems who probably now will never be able to find the good stuff amid the static.

  2. yuma
    Although it cannot be denied that LCHF is delicious, improves your health markers and reduces weight by providing satiety before you overeat, how is it that other people like Clarence Bass, the Japanese and the Kitavans, achieve the same benefits while eating a high carb diet?
  3. bill

    Re: Clarence Bass, so y'all don't have to waste time looking him up.

    From wikipedia: "... he described both the ups and the downs of his experience with steroids." "...two medical problems, hip replacement and a bladder malfunction..."

    But..."He also began adding healthy fats, such as fatty fish and ground flaxseed, to his diet..."

    Yeah, boy, I want to be just like him.

    What's your point?

  4. yuma
    @ bill, that's a rather truculent response. Are you a tough guy? You'll fight anybody anytime? Or you are only tough behind a computer writing under an alias?

    Anyway, Bass has not taken steroids for over 30 years. Perhaps you should visit his site - - and after reviewing it if you think that at 75 he is a wreck, like you imply - I'll have to conclude you are intellectually dishonest. Are you suggesting that his medical problems are diet related? I'll bet my house that he looks better today at 75 than you.

    But my post was not only about Bass. I also mentioned other societies - giving specific examples which are not all inclusive - that consume high carbohydrates yet are healthier than people from America and Europe. You are not suggesting that all of them suffer from diet related hip replacement and bladder malfunction, right?


  5. Honeywell
    I don't know the answer to yuma's question but I thought Peter Attia's blog post, How do some cultures stay lean while still consuming high amounts of carbohydrates?, to be well thought out.

  6. Tuan
    You can be lean and still suffer from metabolic syndrome.
  7. yuma
    @ Honeywell, thanks for the link. Dr.Attia's argument makes sense although he admits "There is no definitive experiment I will point to that can prove my assertion beyond a reasonable doubt ."

    Maybe someday we'll know.

  8. FrankG
    @yuma -- please bring something new to the discussion, this straw-man is tired and old...

    You take the position that proponents of LCHF say that ALL carbs are bad and offer as proof to the contrary, traditional diets which were high in carbs therefore blah blah blah...

    To answer your (rhetorical?) question, look to the quality of the diet -- in simple terms, not ALL carbs are equal

    Show me a traditional diet that was high in sugars and refined starches and then we can talk

    As for your throwaway "maybe someday..." line, look around you and read the unsolicited testimonials of the many on blogs like these who already DO know for themselves.

  9. Charlie

    Might-o'chondri-AL says:
    August 26, 2011 at 6:10 am

    HDL molecules hold triglycerides (there are 45 different variations of triglycerides in circulation, which are based on what their esterified fatty acid component is), cholesterol esters (about 13 – 27% of the HDL surface particles), shingomyelins and glycerophospholipids. HDL’s principle proteins are +/- 70% ApoA1 and +/- 20% ApoA2; yet any changes in the ratio of ApoA2 from genetics (Kitavans?, I propose so) or drugs (ex:fibrates) can have effects.

    Usually people with low levels of HDL have more trigs on their HDL surface (compared to those with high levels of HDL) and low HDL is associated with the passing of more cholesterol esters to VLDL & chylomicrons. Also, when HDL trig levels go up that makes it easier for the liver enzyme hepatic lipase to cleave off more ApoA1 for the kidneys to clear away; and that further tends to keep HDL levels low.

    In comparison people with high levels of HDL have more cholesterol esters on their HDL; which may be due in part to cholesterol esters affinity for ApoA1 in HDL. And statisticly high levels of HDL are usually associated with bigger (“large”) HDL molecule size. Both large HDL and ApoA1 are considered to be more protective factors against atherosclerosis.

    I suspect that Kitavan melanesians’ low HDL fortuitously correlates with a geneticly higher than normal % of ApoA2; and ApoA2 configures more deeply nestled into the HDL complex than ApoA1. It (ApoA2) influences molecular interactions all the way to the HDL surface and limits certain lipid dynamics.

    ApoA2 holds ApoA1 off of mature HDL molecules and this results in a shunting of ApoA1 into forming up the pre-Beta HDL; these lipid poor ApoA1 configurations are great at doing reverse cholesterol transport that brings back cholesterol to the liver for excreting as bile acids. Those pre-Beta HDL are small, yet notably excellent at taking cholesterol away from nefarious macrophage foam cells (the large HDL molecule also picks cholesterol nicely from foam cells).

    Experiments see that preceeding type of change with fibrate drug doses, which only minimally raise HDL & ApoA1 yet increase the ApoA2 amount in HDL by over 25%. Since fibrates are agonists activating the peroxisome proliferator activiated receptor PPAR alpha it might be instructive to see if anything in the Kitavan diet is a similar agonist, such as heirloom tuber roots derived from wild yam with high diosgenin content (diosgenin is well known to affect PPAR gamma).

  10. Charlie
    Might-o'chondri-AL says:
    August 26, 2011 at 2:49 am

    ApoE is crucial to VLDL & chylomicron formation. Variant ApoE 2 less efficient at transfering lipids to liver and is binding lipids up an extra +/- 2%; result is that lipids take longer to clear from circulation and more can go wrong. From my notes, here is the rate some ancestral populations have at least 1 copy of ApoE2: 2-4% of Mexican-american & American Indian, also 3-4% of Japanese & West African. There is 0% of South American Indians with ApoE2 and one wonders which variation of ApoE might be in Kitava melanesians. .

    ApoE4 degrades easiest of all ApoE forms, leaving protein fragments in cell’s cytosol which then can affect a mitochondria’s lipid binding region impairing the performing of tasks. In addition ApoE4 fragments diminish gene PPAR gamma expression; and this depresses the desirable bio-genesis of mitochondria. The affects on mitochondria may be why high levels of dietary fat is problematic for ApoE4 individuals; there may be too sparse output of viable mitochondria and mitochondria membranes are involved in how efficiently we burn fat or glucose. .
    In light of these ApoE4 nuances it is interesting to know that fasting raises free fatty acid levels (from fats in the body and not loose fats from recent food); and then those free fatty acids upregulate gene for PPAR gamma in the liver. Fasting makes one put out ketones because of the extra PPAR gamma programing and this ketogenesis is also one way that activating more PPAR gamma improves insulin sensitivity. This suggests to me that individuals with ApoE4 may (?) find some benefit from modified fasting; possibly something like decidedly fewer meals in a day and also simply not grazing on snacks (ie: in addition to just trying to select what foods to eat) between meals that are regularly spaced apart (ie: very early breakfast to let meal times spread put more evenly) .

    Finally again from my notes, here is the rate some ancestral population have at least 1 copy of ApoE4: .14-19% Germans & Finns, also 7-12% French & Italians. Of course America is one of the world’s melting pots so an individual’s propensity for ApoE 4 & ApoE 2 is hard to pin point.

  11. yuma
    @ FrankG, evidently you did not read and/or comprehend my posts.

    Where the f**k did I ever say that take the position that proponents of LCHF say that ALL carbs are bad and offer as proof to the contrary, traditional diets which were high in carbs therefore blah blah blah... ?

    If anybody built a straw-man is you by misrepresenting my comments.,

    I made a question base on FACTS!!! Since apparently your IQ is around room temperature, thus your comprehending deficit let my give it to you straight and simple: Why is it that certain populations in the world are slim and have health benefits eating a diet opposite of LCHF, WHICH ALSO PROVIDES THE SAME BENEFITS?

    I never attacked LCHF. I eat relatively low carb myself (less than100 per day). Honeywell provided an excellent link that provides reasons and I'm happy with that.

    But if you want to pick a fight with me, bring it on!

  12. FrankG
    @yuma: Let's examine your "facts"... the Kitavan diet is NOT the "opposite of LCHF" unless you take the very narrow and simplistic position that a "carb is a carb is a carb, a fat is a fat etc..." Do you?

    But at least we have flushed out your true nature.. truculent and combative :-) "...or Why I Don't Give a Crap What the Kitavans Eat"

  13. yuma
    @ FrankG: Kitavans, at 60-70% carbohydrate is not the opposite of LCHF? Are you serious?

    What the hell does this have to do with "carb is a carb is a carb, a fat is a fat etc..." Are you saying a carb = fat?

    My "true nature.. truculent and combative?" So I'm supposed to absorb your ludicrous, slanderous and vicious attacks?

    Your attitude is turning people off from LCHF.

    Either you have numerous issues in your personal life that you project in this board, or you forgot to take your meds.

    There's no point in continuing this conversation because talking to you is like talking to a door knob.

    I hope your problems are resolved.

  14. FrankG
    @yuma: I was critical of what you wrote... you seem to take that personally and came out swinging with personal insults about my intelligence and now my mental state. I trust that the folks who read here are smart enough to see the difference.

    I agree there is no further point in trying reasoned discussion with you. Your passive aggressive "Oh I really like LCHF... BUT what about the Kitavans and the Japanese?" and then again "Oh Dr Attia makes a good point... BUT he admits he has no proof" has no-one fooled.

    Despite apparently reading Honeywell's link (at least as far as Dr Attia's caveat emptor), my comments and the link I suggested, you are STILL taking the position that ALL carbs are the same. And I suspect it is because without that myth your argument falls apart like a scare-crow. Why else do you keep harping on about the Kitavan diet as if it is equivalent to what we eat in the West? Do they eat 60-70% of sugar and refined starches?

    If you cannot respond to a critique of what you write without immediately launching into personal insults and calling people outside for fisticuffs... perhaps you need a new hobby that keeps you off the internet.

  15. yuma
    @ FrankG, here you go again into a foolish rant that has no basis.

    When did I ever said that I ever took or am STILL taking the position that ALL carbs are the same?

    Where did I say that the Kitavan diet is equivalent to what we eat in the West?

    Are you some kind of a stooge?

    Please point out where I did.

    You are going the way of Goebbel, repeating a lie often enough hoping you can fool people to think it's the truth. You are not fooling me or anybody. All you are doing is make a fool of yourself.

    And trust me, after your malicious, vindictive slanderous attacks I have restrained myself in the names I have called you because this is a family board. I call them to wake you up from your mental stupor. However, if the shoe fits, wear it.

    And if anybody around you is a scarecrow, it's you! Heck, you sound like a radical vegan.

    Look, we all have problems. But engaging in inordinate rants on the internet WILL NOT SOLVE THEM.

    You need psychological counseling to explore the root of your childish outbursts. Maybe the shrink will give you a lollipop.

  16. yuma
    I want to add that if you can read my mind, like you claim, stating things that you assert that I believe, why are you wasting you time on this board?

    Why don't you share your "gift" with law enforcement so they can catch more crooks and solve more crimes?

    Why don't you go to the stock market and with your "gift" anticipate the insider moves, act accordingly and make yourself rich?

    Why don't you use your gift to assure anxious spouses if their mates are cheating on them?

    Why don't you play professional poker for a living?

    Have ever considered that what you think is your gift is a delusion?

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  17. B-MOLL
    Hi Andreas,
    I se more and more about cancerogenic food etc. arlund the world. What do LCHF share with cancerogenic food? Is not also LCHF cancerogenic food, exept the focus of weightloss?
  18. Jenn

    I have no idea why the Japanese are thin with a high carb diet but I'm leaning towards them consuming less calories which works but it is a slow weight loss and leaves me hungry.

    While were comparing countries though I would like to point out that France consumes more calories and fat (saturated fat included). Yet the french have much lower levels of obesity and heart disease than americans do.

  19. isnt meat carcinogic and doesnt excess meat consumption cause gout?
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