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  1. Francois
    There is something pernicious about sweeping comments. All (choose something) are (make a sweeping statement). No. Not all fats are bad. TRANS fats are bad. Always. An imbalance between omega-3 and omega-6 (the ideal ratio being one omega-3 to 1 to 4 omega-6 - the north american ratio being one omega-3 to 15, up to 30 omega-6) is bad.

    Sat fats are good, a balanced ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 is good, as long as people eat until full but no more. Some can binge on fat and not gain weight. Not me. But percentage-wise, anything more than 40% CARBS (good carbs, bad carbs, any carbs) is bad as it switches on the epigenome to inflammation. On the other hand, up to 80% FAT (to leave room for some protein) is good and healthy, as long as the fat is a good one.

    Please, no two liners sweeping comments. it shows a very poor understanding of human physiology!

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  2. Yes, and all the sugar in candy bars is good for you, right?

    Mars bar, total 54 grams: 9 grams of fat and 32 grams of sugar (37 grams of carbs).

    Back to school! ;)

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  1. Jaybee
    Now I want a snickers :( :(
  2. Mike
    Candy bars have a lot of FAT! You low carb zombies are unbelievable.
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  3. Yes, and all the sugar in candy bars is good for you, right?

    Mars bar, total 54 grams: 9 grams of fat and 32 grams of sugar (37 grams of carbs).

    Back to school! ;)

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  4. Jaybee
    Sugar and fat are both harmful in excess I avoid both and its kept me very lean! If I eat alot of either one my weight goes up :(
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  5. Jaybee
    Mike sugar and fat are both bad in excess!
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  6. Zepp
    Anything in excess is bad!

    But candy bars dont provide that much nutrients!

    And essentiall nutrients comes mostly frome real food.. and then there is no more room for candy bars!

    And I altso like a snickers now and then.. but that mostly for my sweet thoth!

    And it comes more seldome now a days!

  7. Lori
    "Fat is bad!"

    Yes, just look at how unhealthy readers here have gotten following a high-fat diet *in the context of LC.*

  8. Martijn
    Jaybee,

    I believe added sugars are bad, but not all fats are?
    This blog is called Low Carb High Fat.......

    Do you mean certain fats?
    Or all fats?

    Martijn

  9. CNC
    Jaybee,

    I disagree, I eat mostly fat, 75-80%, 15-20% protein and 5% carbs in the form of mostly green vegetables and have for years and I am in great heath now at 60.

    I am sure in small amounts, before you metabolism is broken, of sugar and other crabs are fine, but once broken by the SAD diet it is best to avoid. Well at least that what works for me and keeps me thin and healthy.

    Zepp,

    Dose is what makes a poison. So "anything is excess is bad" depends on the definition of excess. For me 80% of my calories from fat seem to be a positive thing and not excessive at all.
    l

  10. Zepp
    Perticaly if one spell its like E%.. energy percentage.. I.E.. as a part of ones energy demand! ;)

    Around and/or above 80 E% fats, one have to consider other essentiall macro and micro nutrients!

    Its not that difficult.. one have to rely moste on nutrient dens foods.. like eggs, eat som organ meats, low carb veggies every day and so on.. it means its less space for snickers or other candy bars!

    I thought this was obvius? :(

  11. Francois
    There is something pernicious about sweeping comments. All (choose something) are (make a sweeping statement). No. Not all fats are bad. TRANS fats are bad. Always. An imbalance between omega-3 and omega-6 (the ideal ratio being one omega-3 to 1 to 4 omega-6 - the north american ratio being one omega-3 to 15, up to 30 omega-6) is bad.

    Sat fats are good, a balanced ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 is good, as long as people eat until full but no more. Some can binge on fat and not gain weight. Not me. But percentage-wise, anything more than 40% CARBS (good carbs, bad carbs, any carbs) is bad as it switches on the epigenome to inflammation. On the other hand, up to 80% FAT (to leave room for some protein) is good and healthy, as long as the fat is a good one.

    Please, no two liners sweeping comments. it shows a very poor understanding of human physiology!

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  12. CNC
    Zepp,

    You described what I eat. Lots of eggs, very fatty meat cuts, shell fish, lots of butter some veg to put the butter on. Never hungry and lots on energy. All health markers are very good, much better then before I started HFLC and 20 kg less in weight.

    I find very few things are obvious unless you have a open mind, but not so open as your brains fall out.

  13. Tomtefar
    About the math test. I´m not in any way defending candy. However, they didn´t tell the time span. Let´s say Bob bought (or was given) the 36 bars in january and ate the last one of the 29 bars in august, he probably has not damaged his body much at all. ;)
  14. James
    Type 7 diabetes.
  15. bill
    Water is bad in excess!

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life/t/woman-dies-after...

    How do these comments enhance our understanding?

    Let's return to some thoughtful discussion.

  16. dan
    Of course everyone realizes this a fake test made up for the joke, right? How many tests have you taken that merely say "Math Test" at the top, or that have a 2 digit subtraction problem followed immediately by a multivariable equation algebra story problem?
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  18. Zepp
    Mayby the test is fake.. but the answer is still right! ;)
  19. Jaybee
    Not all sugars are bad either!! You think eating carrots, beets, cherries or organic berries is the same as eating a snickers bar, soda or marshmallows!!?? If so than i'm not the ignorant one! As for fats just do a self experiment and binge eat on bacon pork rinds sausage pastrami cheese cold cuts and salted nuts and see what happens with you're waistline in a month or so! Not that overeating refined carbs and sugar is any healthier just saying!
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  20. murray
    Jaybee, I did that self-experiment, for three weeks, not a month. No processed meats (one has to be careful not to eat excess protein), but as much fat as I could manage and fatty foods such as foie gras, liverwurst, pate, etc. I would eat an entire batch of Hollandaise with a small steak. Loads of olive oil as vinegarette (3:1 oil to vinegar ratio). A huge plate of greens with a batch of vinegarette. 5000-8000 calories per day while working at a desk job. Zero weight gain. No change in waistline. Sam Feltham did a similar self experiment and blogged his progress. He slightly gained weight but reduced his waistline. I think he is gaining a lot of weight now on a vegan version of the same experiment, but I haven't checked his blog in the past week or so.

    Real foods are definitely better than candy bars, sodas and marshmallows. Better than eating stones too, which I am just as likely to eat. I eat under 50 grams carbs per day so I save the carb budget for really nutrient-rich flavourful foods. Small portions of berries every day, sour cherries on occasion, small beet servings weekly. These are condiments, not staples. Carrots I use for braising (the holy trinity of carrot, celery and onion), but I strain out and toss the carrots and other carbohydrous pulp, so I get the nutrients in the bone broth braise (tongue 'n cheek in the slow cooker last week), which I reduce then add butter to make a delicious, nutrient-rich sauce (the butter enhances flavour, gives the sauce a glossy, silken sheen and enhances the gut absorption of minerals and nutrients). That way I can have my root vegetables and not eat them too.

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  21. Lori
    "As for fats just do a self experiment and binge eat on bacon pork rinds sausage pastrami cheese cold cuts and salted nuts and see what happens with you're waistline in a month or so! Not that overeating refined carbs and sugar is any healthier just saying!"

    Add two small salads a day and you'd have the Atkins Diet, which thousands (maybe millions) of people have lost weight on. In fact, the foods you mentioned are what Dr. Atkins advised his patients to binge on if they were prone to binge eating.

  22. JOEY B
    I binge eat on apples oranges grapes pineapple and banana smoothies all the time for the past 9 months and have not gained any weight so the the experiment can work both ways. I followed Durianriders diet plant and lost almost 20 pounds. So if sugar is the problem I would be a blubber butt which i'm not! I guess it depends on the individual. Last summer I attended the woodstock fruit festival in upstate NY and met lots of fruitarians and they where some of the leanest fittest people I have ever met.
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  23. CNC
    Jaybee,

    I have self experimented (I prefer to call it a lifestyle change) and eat "bacon pork rinds sausage pastrami cheese cold cuts" plus lots of eggs and fatty steaks and less than 20 grams a day of green vegetables with lots of butter (do not like nuts much). The result of this experiment, N=1, is that I lost 20kg in 4 months and have kept that weight off for 5 years am in best health of my life and feel great. I was 90kg and an now 70kg. Male, now 60 years of age.

    Bottom line is fat doesn't make you fat unless combined with carbohydrates that raise your insulin levels as Doc explains well on this web site.

  24. Francois
    Sight!

    Is it carbs that make people read selectively? I honestly am starting to wonder. Regarding carbs... The healthier you are, the more you can tolerate, up to 40% of total caloric intake... (See my previous post here). On the contrary, the more sick you are, the less you should eat them. Eating a near "no carb" diet is possible and can be healthy (the Inuit have done it for thousands of years) but nowadays, very few people do it. The Inuit became sick when they started increasing the carb content of their diet.

    This being said, of course, it is better to eat carbs from fruits than carbs from soft drinks... Up to a certain point. Some very sweet fruits (mangoes, bananas) will cause diabetes when eaten in excess. Fruit-wise, I try to stick as much as I can on small fruits (blueberries, blackberries, raspberries, etc). FrankG made an extremely important post: people make sweeping comments to the fact that fruits are "so healthy" and have been a part of the human diet "since man has been a man". How they can be sure, I have no clue. And even in tropical areas, people did not live in lush gardens with low-hanging fruits. Fruits were not available all the time but only during certain periods: the end of summer and fall. They gorged on it and gained weight which was a good thing then because they could survive the next starvation. But never except in the very recent past were fruits available as much as we wanted and all the time.
    Think of it: while a diet high in fruits protects against cancer, a diet rich in fruit juice increases the same cancer risk. It is simple: while it is tough to eat say 20 oranges, it is easy to drink them. And while they are very rich in vitamins, they are not healthy because these fruit juices are essentially sodas with vitamins. Better? I"m not sure. And because companies like Coca Cola push for people drinking their fruit juices, my impression is that this alone is not healthy. I'll use small tart fruits as a condiment and I'll get my carbs from leafy vegetables.
    But I hate to make nutrition a religion. There are principles to respect. Other than that, the rest is open to interpretation. And this site gives all the principles to achieve health.

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  25. Paul the rat
    Post: " New Study: Does Sugar Cause Heart Disease?"

    Reply to comment #15 by charles grashow
    16Paul the rat
    February 5 17:53
    "...Fruit has been part of the human diet for longer than we’ve been, er, human..."
    how do you know this ?

    et cetera

  26. FrankG
    "I binge eat on apples oranges grapes pineapple and banana smoothies all the time for the past 9 months and have not gained any weight so the the experiment can work both ways."

    Why on earth would any sane person think that "binge eating" is an healthy or sustainable way to live? And good luck with that approach as you age :-)

    Your n=1 would likely kill me with my Type 2 Diabetes, whereas I dare say that you could survive quite well eating the LCHF way I do.

    ---

    Francois I do also agree that the idea our ancestors plucked and ate bananas all day (like some caricature of a chimp) is far from the reality.

    Even in tropical regions, fruits are local and seasonal... even more so in the regions where my ice-age ancestors spent tens of thousands of years in Southern Europe.

    Chimpanzees enjoy a very varied diet: including termites, plenty of leaves, yes fruit, nuts and even honey when available but also smaller monkeys, birds or even other chimpanzees! Pretty much anything they can get their hands on.

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  27. JOEY B
    Check out 80/10/10 by doug graham it's a truly inspirational book that changed my whole outlook on food and nutrition in general. I reversed my hyperglycemia following the books advice! Also natural sugars in whole plant foods are far from the cause of type 2 diabetes for you to say that shows how mislead our society has come. Also I have been studying plant based nutrition for quite some time so please do not think I am ignorant! Also I do not live on fruit alone I eat plenty of leafy greens and healthy fats from avocado nuts and seed and occasionally some olive and coconut oil even grass fed beef or salmon once or twice a month.
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  28. Galina L.
    Overeating fruits is not a good idea, especially for the carbohydrate-sensitive people. It didn't work for Ashton Kutcher who "used the fruitarian diet to not only go further in to character but help to quickly lose a lot of weight to embody the role more convincingly. Kutcher was hospitalized with pancreas levels and being "doubled over in pain."
    Read more at http://www.dietsinreview.com/diets/fruitarian-diet/#B8GWZZOek6EvwWPM.99"

    It looks like it didn't work well for Steve Jobs, except for keeping him thin. I actually never met anyone in person who was not hungry on a fruit-shake diet.

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  29. FrankG
    JOEY B you wrote... "I binge eat on apples oranges grapes pineapple and banana smoothies all the time for the past 9 months and have not gained any weight so the the experiment can work both ways." ...were you using hype to try and make a point, or were you being honest?

    Now you want to change your story to a more reasonable one of "natural sugars in whole plant foods" and "plenty of leafy greens and healthy fats from avocado nuts and seed and occasionally some olive and coconut oil even grass fed beef or salmon once or twice a month"

    Best get your story straight if you want to have a reasonable discussion here and not present yourself as if you are ignorant :-)

    By the way, I don't come here seeking "inspiration"... I look for facts backed up with the scientific method. I already have a way of eating which works very well for me thanks.

  30. JOEY B
    By binge eating I mean I eat them a lot and frequently but I never said I live on fruit alone! And yes since I've been eating plant based including going heavy on fruit I have lost a lot of weight and have improved my health tremendously! That not to say that a low carb diet doesn't work for some people I just felt like sharing my own experience thats all! And like I said I am not ignorant on the subject matter!
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  31. FrankG
    I see... so your definition of "binge eating" and "all the time" are somehow different from the rest of us? Maybe you should be more precise, assuming you wish to avoid such misunderstandings in the future.

    I daresay that the diet you describe is probably better than that which you were eating before? But better than does not necessarily mean best or optimal, does it?

  32. JOEY B
    Eating STRICTLY fruit and fruit alone can indeed be quite harmful I agree but including vegetables and healthy fats along with it helped my improve my health and energy greatly and also like I said I had issues with pre diabetes before I lost weight on the diet.
  33. murray
    "... I do not live on fruit alone I eat plenty of leafy greens and healthy fats from avocado nuts and seed and occasionally some olive and coconut oil even grass fed beef or salmon once or twice a month."

    Science is always in the details. Good to see "plenty" of leafy greens and healthy fats in this diet. Leafy greens, of course, provide little in the way of carbohydrate calories. Rather, bacteria in the gut feed on the fiber to produce saturated fat, butyric acid in particular (but-yric as in but-ter). So what seemed like a high-carb diet in the first description, begins to look a lot different after accounting for "plenty" of leafy greens and healthy fats from avocados, nuts and seeds as core food groups in the diet.

  34. Paul the rat
    J Sci Food Agric. 2013 Oct 4. doi: 10.1002/jsfa.6432. [Epub ahead of print]
    Berry antioxidants: small fruits providing large benefits.
    Manganaris GA, Goulas V, Vicente AR, Terry LA.
    Author information

    Abstract
    Small berry fruits are consumed due to their attractive colour, special taste and are considered as one of the richest sources of natural antioxidants. Their consumption has been linked to the prevention of chronic and degenerative diseases. The term 'berry fruits' commonly encompass the so-called 'soft fruits', primarily strawberry, currants, gooseberry, blackberry, raspberry, blueberry, and cranberry. The objective of this review was to highlight the nutraceutical value of berries and to summarize the factors affecting berry fruit antioxidants. Particular attention is given to postharvest and processing operation factors that may affect fruit phytochemical content. The structure-antioxidant relationships for phenolic compounds, the main group of antioxidants in this fruit group are presented and major areas for future research are identified.
    This article is protected by copyright. All rights reserved.

  35. Steph
    He forgot cavities and self-loathing. On a serious note, I've always had a problem with binge eating. I'd be able to stick to something like weight watchers for two weeks, four weeks tops, then when the scale didn't say what I wanted it to, go crazy with junk food (because I'd been hungry for four weeks). I'd had a pretty serious problem with alcohol too- the only way for me to deal with it was for me to just stop drinking. Apparently, that is the way I've had to deal with binge eating as well. I've been on a LCHF diet for about three weeks now, no cravings whatsoever after about a week (my boyfriend used to have to hide his candy so I wouldn't eat it all--even if it was crappy snickers bars). I really don't have a binge eating problem anymore--maybe sugar/starch hit the same part of my brain that alcohol did, which made it really hard to resist the siren call of junk food once I'd had even a little bit. I can understand why LCHF wouldn't work for everyone (we're all different, after all), but it's made me feel so much better, I can't imagine stopping.
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  36. Zepp
    One problem with junkfood is ones reward system.. IE dopamine!

    The brain prefer easy fuel.. and thanks you by give you a dopamin kick!

    Dopamine is the major feel good hormone.. its there to boost the right behvior!

    Dopamine is altso the major problem with addiction!

    If one goes low carb one can get low.. at least in the beginning.. no more rewards.. one have to make new reward patterns.

    Dopamine is a part of your lissard brain system.. its all about to thrive in its moste elementary form/in our old stone age habbitat.. but one have to use the newer parts of the brain to get a new life style.. better adapted to our new modern habbitat!

  37. Mark
    If Bob was eating 29 (out of 36) slices of bread or potatoes would the "student" have made the same comment?
  38. Primal Scream
    Mark, lighten up a bit

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