1. bill
    But they still serve him "pitta bread"? Why would they do that?
    Replies: #3, #7
  2. Pelinor
    & buttersoft, butter + canola oil ( Lactic Butter (Cow's Milk) (70%), Rapeseed Oil (22.6%), Water, Salt (1%) )
    Reply: #8
  3. Galina L.
    Probably, they give him minimal amount of the pita in order to not to interfere with the ketosis. I suspect his doctor put it on the list of foods allowed in small quantities. There is an unreasonable fear in medical community to totally deny grains to a growing child. At least the diet works .
  4. Armin
    Now let's just hope the father discovers LCHF for himself too. This big family needs healthy parents.
  5. cave horse
    "There is an unreasonable fear in medical community to totally deny grains to a growing child."

    I know of no such fear in the medical community, but I question why anyone would feed grain to a human child when there are so many safer sources of carbohydrate and/or starch.

    Reply: #9
  6. Kim
    They are all Sainsbury's products, I doubt he actually uses all of them, they may well have been 'donated' by Sainsbury's for this shoot. Great news for him regardless!
  7. François
    Neurologists are the least resistant physicians to a ketogenic diet. In intractable childhood epilepsy, it is often the only thing that works. An Atkins diet (not even ketogenic) also works in adult epilepsy. I wonder if the wrong idea that carbs are necessary does not undermine the success of the ketogenic diet (I did not find yet the study the article refers to, the one with a 40% success rate). The minimal amount of carbs in a human diet is zero. Forever. You can do very well on a fat and protein diet. The Inuit are a living proof. There is no such thing as an "essential carb".

    And yes, being a physician myself, i can assure you that many (nearly all) physicians and dietitians are convinced people completely cutting carbs are doomed. Even this "ketogenic diet with pita bread" seems to scare the physician enough that he has mom weight everything and supplement her child.

    The other problem with physicians is that even if they have the theory, it does not make them chefs. The first anti-epileptic diets were worse than non palatable. We all know a ketogenic diet can be incredibly tasty.

    As far as grain are concerned, they could be dropped completely. The glycemic index of wheat is much to high. And I don't see why the kid should be fed starchy vegetables. The glycemic index and glycemic load of leafy non starchy vegetables is so low that even a large plate does not interfere with ketosis. And I'd probably add to this kid's diet coconut oil, the best source of medium chain triglycerides, a fantastic source of ketone bodies for the brain (think of its effect in Alzheimer).

    Finally, it would be much easier if the whole family ate the same diet. Parents would naturally lose weight, cardiovascular risk would go down the drain and meal time would be so much easier for the family. Just a thought.

    But just like Galina said: at least the diet works.

  8. Molly
    That whole post was sponsored by Sainsburys :)

    Did you notice every product had the "Sainsburys" name prominently turned to the camera ? That was also a bottle of orange juice (at best) or orange soda (at worst) at the back, and he most certainly wouldn't be consuming *that* !!

    LOL ! The Daily Mail !! Gutter journalism at its best :))

    But YAY for the little boy.

    Reply: #10
  9. Galina L.
    Most doctors do not think about wheat products being "unsafe" since they are mostly not the members of a Paleo movement or followers of Dr.W.Davis. I am more puzzled with the complete lack of any leafy vegetables in the boy's diet than with the presents of a pita bread and a mayonnaise.Most people nowadays sure you would be dead without vegetables.

    May be "Neurologists are the least resistant physicians to a ketogenic diet" because they know how damaging for health their other remedies are like anty-seizure medications and SSRIs, and realize that a ketogenic diet pales when compared with other staff . I also think that vegetable sources of starch would be better than pita for the boy's health. May be boys's doctor thought that the exact amount of pita would be easier to calculate for the family? At the end of the day he had only one purpose for the diet - to stop seizures.

  10. Galina L.
    Who cares! Diet works and due to sensation-loving journalists and the food manufacturer who thinks about his profit more people know about it.
  11. Lori
    It is not a pita it is an oopsi they said it is made with egg and cheese. I think they needed to call it something people who are not familiar with the diet can relate to. My family loves warm buttered oopsis.
  12. Lori
    Sorry egg and mayo. I have made them that way too but don't like them quite as well.
  13. Zepp
    The father altso seems to need a LCHF/ketogenic/low carb diet????
    Reply: #14
  14. Galina L.
    Well, after looking at the picture of the father, I can say that he looks like a person who started to accumulate fat in wrong places like neck and the low part of his face, may be belly - I can't say for sure. I guess, skipping refined carbs and sugar would be the right diet change in his case without a doubt. I do believe eating animal fats is beneficial, but the sat.fats/carbs combination is the unhealthy one. No, I wouldn't sent everyone into a ketogenic state, but most people would benefit from limitation of carbohydrates in some degree.
  15. Anne
    It is a shame that only those with intractable epilepsy are offered this dietary choice. I would think that many who are controlled on meds would do well on a ketogenic diet and be able to get off the meds. Also there is evidence that some people with seizures have celiac disease/gluten sensitivity and just removing gluten will stop seizures and that is without ketosis. https://sites.google.com/site/jccglutenfree/seizuresepilepsy
  16. Paul the rat
    The video (see link below) is not about diet or eating habits. However, I use it to illustrate the point, which somewhat dovetails with the story of this post. We can see in this video that our central and northern European ancestors lived in dense forests as recent as 2000 years ago. My understanding is (from archeological data) that these forests were full of wild game/fish, killing/catching of which did not require organized 2-3 weeks escapades. Therefore I am one of those who do not buy into the argument that our ancestors (living in those parts of the world) went through regular periods of starvation or it was difficult for them to find food (they had probably 100x more chance to be killed by wolf or bear than to die of starvation) . Their diet would consists of mostly game/fish meat with occasional wild berries/honey, that is, they would be borderline or in ketosis often.
    (not much space in the forest to sow barley, I suppose)


    Reply: #17
  17. Galina L.
    Thank you, Paul, the great movie to watch! A very graphic description of the endless forest!
    A while ago on his blog WHS in several very interesting posts "Beyond Ötzi: European Evolutionary History and its Relevance to Diet." Stephan Guyenet argued that hunter-gatherers genes were replaced to a significant degree by the genes of agriculturalists and the " Otzi represents a halfway point in the evolutionary process that transformed Paleolithic humans into modern humans."

    On the blog-post he gives the link to the paper "Complete mitochondrial genomes reveal neolithic expansion into Europe.
    Fu Q1, Rudan P, Pääbo S, Krause J." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22427842

    On the graphic illustration of the statistic it is easy to see that Eastern Europe has the least amount of the people with agricultural genes .

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  18. Paul the rat
    I recall my grandfather's stories of sturgeons fishing in the Danube. They would spend one day fishing and several families would have enough food for 2 weeks - imagine how it was 2000, 1000 years ago - 'school-kids', so to speak, could feed whole village.
  19. Galina L.
    My parents used to go to some place on Volga river (Axtuba) to fish sturgeons which are still there, as far as i know. They always brought back from such trips a lot of salted sturgeon meat in a brine and several liters of salted fish eggs. Even now there many places in Russia with a lot of fish in rivers and mushrooms in forests. I don't know why people like to say that plant food supply is more consistent that animal food supply. May be if your are a moose who can eat tree branches..
  20. murray
    Galina, I don't understand how SG gets from the paper cited to the conclusion that hunter-gatherer genes were "replaced." The paper just tracks genetic differences without identifying them as particular to agricultural adaptations.

    Further, where is the evidence of replacement. For example, which gene did the gene on chromosome 2 for lactase persistence supposedly replace? Does the addition of that gene mean those who have it can no longer go without milk? Or for people with more than 2 copies of the gene for amylase to handle starch better, which genes did the extra copies replace? It seems more likely the DNA strand just added copies without replacing anything. So there seems to be confirmation bias in the inference that a set of agriculturalist genes "replaced" a hunter-gatherer set of genes (as SG seems to want to imply one cannot go back to hunter-gatherer diet). It would seem mal-adaptive to lose genes for metabolic flexibility and be able to survive an agricultural crop failure or crop-destroying enemy raid and having to live on LCHF until the next harvest. Famines have been common in agriculturalist societies through to recent times, so keto-adaptation would be evolutionarily adaptive and likely to have been conserved for the great majority of people. I would expect just as one with an added lactase gene can choose whether to drink milk or not, so it goes with the other agriculturalist foods.

    Reply: #23
  21. Paul the rat
    You just have to love the conclusions drawn by Professor scared to admit that red meat is good for us - never trust a person in a white coat.


  22. Galina L.
    It is his opinion, but I found the paper interesting anyway.
  23. murray
    The article mentions hominids getting meat and marrow from scavenging, but no mention of brain. The glossary, however, defines passive scavenging as obtaining meat, marrow and brain. Brain would be a concentrated source of DHA and so a potentially important factor in the evolutionary growth of the hominid brain.
  24. Paul the rat
    @ murray
    I recall attending a seminar several years ago, where speaker documented that animal brains were eaten by early humans regularly (can not find the name of the speaker in my records)

    Straight of the press

    Reply: #28
  25. murray
    Paul, thanks.

    " ... evidence of a distinct hominin scavenging strategy – one
    that included a strong focus on acquiring and exploiting fatty,
    nutrient-rich, energy-dense within-head food resources (e.g., brain
    matter, mandibular nerve and marrow, etc.) "

    "The record of medium-sized bovids is slightly more complex.
    Within each assemblage, there is clear evidence that hominins
    acquired the postcranial remains of at least some medium-sized
    individuals relatively early in their resource lives (i.e., with at least
    some adhering flesh), perhaps mirroring, to some extent, the
    record of their involvement with smaller-sized bovids [Table S1].
    The disproportionate abundance of medium-sized heads, howev-
    er, likely reflects a separate but complementary foraging activity,
    one specifically focused on scavenging these remains for their
    internal food resources (e.g., brain tissues) [17,63,84]. This latter
    portion of the record may represent the earliest archaeological
    evidence of a distinct hominin scavenging strategy."

  26. erdoke
    This one seems to be really interesting. I will try to get access to the full version somehow. (There is an overlap between medical and biotechnology literature, but I only have access to the latter and this does not belong to that overlapping part).

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