“I was wrong, we should be feasting on fat”

July 17 2014 by in Saturated fat, The food revolution

More and more people (and doctors!) realize that the fear of fat was a mistake:

Daily Mail: I was wrong – we should be feasting on FAT, says The Fast Diet author DR MICHAEL MOSLEY

TIME: Eat Butter. Scientists Labeled Fat the Enemy. Why They Were Wrong.

WSJ: “The Dubious Science Behind the Anti-Fat Crusade”

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Saturated Fat Completely Safe According to New Review of all Science!

Heart Doctor: Time to Bust the Myth About Saturated Fat and Heart Disease

The Real Association Between Butter and Heart Disease in Sweden

LCHF for Beginners

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Mark John
July 17 2014 11
A whole generation of people has suffered from weight gain, diabetes, CVD, heart attacks etc and all the problems that those diseases bring with them because of an unproven dietery hypothesis. Modern medicine is great for acute problems, appendicitis, broken limbs etc. When it comes to prevention through nutrition most doctors know jack. Nutritionists probably even less.

Eat real food and stay away from (most) doctors unless it's a medical emergency!

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”- Hippocrates

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Tyrannocaster
July 17 2014 2
It's nice that he actually apologizes; better late than never, which is when most of these people are likely to speak up. I did enjoy the cognitive dissonance that accompanied the Daily Mail's photo of the butter...being applied to toast. The toast will do them more harm than the butter ever would, LOL.

I hate to say this, but this is one instance where the Daily Mail seems to be ahead of the Guardian, :-).
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Mark John
July 17 2014 11
A whole generation of people has suffered from weight gain, diabetes, CVD, heart attacks etc and all the problems that those diseases bring with them because of an unproven dietery hypothesis. Modern medicine is great for acute problems, appendicitis, broken limbs etc. When it comes to prevention through nutrition most doctors know jack. Nutritionists probably even less.

Eat real food and stay away from (most) doctors unless it's a medical emergency!

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”- Hippocrates
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murray
July 17 2014 3
Kudos to Dr. Mosely for owning up to being wrong, which should help him with the borderline diabetes and may set a lot of people on a better path.
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bill
July 17 2014 3
Too bad about his penultimate paragraph. He warned
about not pouring cream down your throat and then
says he consumes "semi-skimmed milk". What's that
except semi-fatted sugar water.

Carbohydrates are made of sugar molecules all strung
together. Please, let's try to keep this in mind.

He might not really get it at all.

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Arthur H Hazeldine
July 18 2014 3
Yes Mark John : a whole generation has suffered, let us not forget that a whole generation has and still is making huge profit from this lie! All hell is going to freeze over before some of them will give up their position. My doctor still won't believe how I was able to recover my full health after being type two diabetic and having a triple heart by-pass., simply by changing my diet. without a pill in sight. For the record I turned eighty on 24th of May. When I had the "event" (heart problem) I could not believe it, I thought that I was eating the right foods and spent a lot of time gardening and walking etc. While in hospital my suspicions began to be aroused when the dietitians began to lecture me with the food pyramid and that margarine was "heart healthy". They were feeding me statins and blocker drugs, telling me that my "bad" Cholesterol was too high. Fortunately for me I decided to investigate for myself; After watching the DVD from Justin Smith (from UK) Statin Nation, my suspicions were confirmed. Even more so when I discovered Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride (drnatasha.com) and to find dietdoctor.com and The Food Revolution was to know that salvation is at hand.
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Anthony
July 18 2014 2
Good to see Dr Mosley has seen the light. His work on fasting and HIT helped me greatly. Dr Andreas fixed my diet . Maybe they should do a joint presentation to our sick and deluded western society !
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Kjell Granelli
July 18 2014 2
The article about butter and fat in Times Magazine; now Dr. Mosley... what's next I wonder? Waiting impatiently for more of this good news :-)
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NS
July 18 2014
Right. Too bad about his cream comments. We should it all be so enlightened to "get it" to the degree that you do so that this, due apparently to the "sugar molecular" content of vegetables, becomes the necessary and logical conclusion of your fundamentalist premises:

http://thelowcarbdiabetic.blogspot.kr/2014/04/jimmy-moores-take-on-hi...

"When someone asked him why he didn't include any spinach or other greens with the eggs, he said that occasionally he eats greens but "I'm so carb sensitive that even greens can be problematic." This is nonsense, of course. And he doesn't even have diabetes!

His latest cholesterol profile is abominable; I know you use different values in the UK, but his LDL-C and LDL-P are extremely elevated and place him at very high risk for a cardiac event.

I'm so conflicted because on the one hand Jimmy has been a great advocate of the low-carb lifestyle and is friends with all of the major researchers in this area. But what he's promoting now is very irresponsible, in my opinion. I'm worried about his health and the perception that the non-low-carb community will have of us, since he's such a visible and vocal proponent of low carb.

Moderate protein, higher percentage of healthy fats, and lots of healthy vegetables. That is the way to follow low carb if you want to improve your health."

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NS
July 18 2014
And apparently, he is dealing with yet another bout of weight gain, despite eating north of 80% fat and 3% carb...

What does he, do we, "not get?" Should he "up the fat" more?

http://carbsanity.blogspot.kr/2014/04/jimmy-moore-low-carb-asset-or-l...

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Murray
July 18 2014
I don't see enjoying cream as fundamentalist premises; it is simply a matter of personal empirical observation. I prefer cultured cream unless the cream is raw, as one must consider the carbs in cream and milk. I find I can have a huge amount of fat and not gain weight so long as carbs are low and protein is moderate. I don't lose weight, to be sure, but I don't gain weight. It seems extra dietary fat simply passes through undigested. It makes sense that bile production is regulated by the liver in response to energy signalling from the body.

I do wonder, however, about the reported concern regarding carbs in spinach. With a healthy gut flora, I would expect one gets zero carbs from spinach and other leafy greens and that all the carbs are consumed by bacteria (unless the spinach is processed by purée in a smoothie or something). Indeed, bacteria produce butyrate from leafy greens so they are really a good source of saturated fat. The only concern I would have with spinach is oxylates, which are significantly reduced by cooking.
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erdoke
July 18 2014 1
I strongly believe that the induction phase of the Atkins diet actually makes sense if one is not severely insulin resistant. I would increase protein to 30 or even 35 % and gradually decrease it by 5 % steps after 3-4 weeks intervals. Protein is the most satiating macronutrient and helps tremendously with cutting caloric intake and normalizing appetite. On the other hand we all know that high intake can cause issues on the long term, so after a proper induction it is best to run on an LCHF.
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Eddie Mitchell
July 18 2014 3
Nice to see NS giving a clickable link to our lowcarb diabetic blog. I see NS has also linked to the Carbsane blog, the blog of Evelyn Kocur, the morbidly obese blogger, who rubbishes everyone in the low carb community, including the owner of this blog.

When Evie publishes with proof of date, some current full length photographs of herself, I will take her seriously. While she hides in the shadows, sniping at others, she will only be the bloated blogger to me, with some very serious personalty issues.

Eddie

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NS
July 19 2014
So because she may or may not be obese, she has nothing meaningful to contribute to the dialogue? You may want to modify your personal preferences to include the butter only eating, paleo-water marketing, evolution denying but paleo embracing "cholesterol clarity" blogger, whose stellar cholesterol numbers you yourself highlighted.

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Eddie Mitchell
July 19 2014 2
To NS

She is obese, she stated it on the infamous Jimmy Moore podcast where she made a complete idiot of herself, no help needed from Jimmy. On the JM podcast she admitted when she low carbed she lost a great deal of weight, for the first time in her adult life. More recently she confirmed the ongoing weight problems on a radio podcast pushing her 'Addiction Restriction' book that no longer gets mentioned by Evie. Furthermore her endless rants regarding CICO is looking more out of date by the day.

EK blew it a long time ago, nothing but negative rants, rubbishing anyone who gets a book published, anyone with a high profile in the low carb and paleo world, how the bitterness and jealousy shines through. She wants so desperately to be a player, but she has not learnt how to lose yet, and will never know how to win.

"Recent clinical research has studied weight responses to varying diet composition, but the contribution of changes in macronutrient intake and physical activity to rising population weight remains controversial. Research on the economics of obesity typically assumes a “calories in, calories out” framework, but a weight production model separating caloric intake into carbohydrates, fat, and protein, has not been explored in an economic framework.

To estimate the contributions of changes in macronutrient intake and physical activity to changes in population weight, we conducted dynamic time series and structural VAR analyses of U.S. data between 1974 and 2006 and a panel analysis of 164 countries between 2001 and 2010. Findings from all analyses suggest that increases in carbohydrates are most strongly and positively associated with increases in obesity prevalence even when controlling for changes in total caloric intake and occupation-related physical activity.

Our structural VAR results suggest that, on the margin, a 1% increase in carbohydrates intake yields a 1.01 point increase in obesity prevalence over 5 years while an equal percent increase in fat intake decreases obesity prevalence by 0.24 points."

http://www.sciencedirect.com/

Eddie
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Eddie Mitchell
July 19 2014
Link correction http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X1400046X
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AlabasterVerve
July 19 2014
Here's a link to the pdf. Interesting approach -- I wish I knew enough to evaluate whether their conclusions have merit or not but it certainly mimics my personal experience.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2279503
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Eddie Mitchell
July 19 2014
To AlabasterVerve

Thanks for the link to the pdf.

Kind regards

Eddie
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erdoke
July 22 2014
Interesting article:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/21/giving-up-beef-red...
Yet it confirms the advantages of grass-fed cattle.
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tony
July 22 2014
An obese person lecturing us about diet is like a homeless lecturing us about becoming a millionaire. She has the credibility of a loaf of bread!

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NS
July 23 2014 2
From what I understand she has far less of a weight problem than Jimmy Moore..... but that in any case says nothing, adds nothing to the dialogue. Maybe she should just, as "bill" would advise, follow JM's 85% fat/3% carbohydrate regimen, despite the fact that this eating pattern has utterly failed his weight loss/maintenance efforts, and despite the fact that he is now dealing with LDL-C and LDL-P in the top one percentile.... because after all "drinking cream/feasting on fat" should be encouraged....

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FrankG
July 23 2014
Exactly as you say, sniping at personalities "says nothing, adds nothing to the dialogue"

...but then neither do exaggerated caricatures of an LCHF approach

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Murray
July 23 2014 1
I think much of Jimmy Moore's appeal is first, that he has successfully lost a lot of weight and improved his health. He is not at his final weight goal, but he has made dramatic improvement. There is reasonable debate about the significance of his metabolic markers taken as risk factors. Second, he is a very affable, amiable character (without an apparent axe to grind) who has been a hub for a wide array of experts in the field. His enthusiastic, kind manner puts experts at ease. Jimmy has done a good job of collating leading thinking in the area. He does not strike me as a deeply creative thinker, more of a collator. Plainly he has some metabolic issue he has yet to crack to get to his final weight goal. At the end of it all, he is an n=1 like the rest of us.
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NS
July 23 2014
"Exactly as you say, sniping at personalities "says nothing, adds nothing to the dialogue"
...but then neither do exaggerated caricatures of an LCHF approach"

You are free to form your own opinions but not to create facts as you see fit. Nothing in the facts is "exaggerated." Perhaps next time you can contribute with a bit more honesty and integrity.

1) http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.kr/2012/12/does-nutritional-ketos...

2)http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-66n11pqJGyA/Uh5I1Db3YTI/AAAAAAAAEBE/1joMdES7gic/s1600/Dayspring+on+TC.jpg

3) http://thelowcarbdiabetic.blogspot.kr/2014/04/jimmy-moores-take-on-hi...

"Sorry for the pre amble, but contrast our meals to a Jimmy Moore breakfast. "Five eggs and a stick of butter" he posted up on Twitter within the last 24 hours. In the UK a standard pack of butter is 250 grams or almost nine ounces. If a stick of US butter is the same, I have to ask is Jimmy spoofing us, is this a wind up ? We need to be told !

Eddie

Post edit. A message via email from a well known and highly respected medical professional who asked to remain anonymous on this blog. Full name and address supplied.

"I follow Jimmy on Twitter, and yesterday he tweeted that he was eating five eggs cooked in Kerrygold butter with an additional stick of Kerrygold (8 oz, or roughly 240 grams), and that was it for the day. That's less than 40 grams of protein and over 200 grams of fat for the day. Jimmy is quite tall and needs at least twice that amount of protein at a minimum.

When someone asked him why he didn't include any spinach or other greens with the eggs, he said that occasionally he eats greens but "I'm so carb sensitive that even greens can be problematic." This is nonsense, of course. And he doesn't even have diabetes!

His latest cholesterol profile is abominable; I know you use different values in the UK, but his LDL-C and LDL-P are extremely elevated and place him at very high risk for a cardiac event.

I'm so conflicted because on the one hand Jimmy has been a great advocate of the low-carb lifestyle and is friends with all of the major researchers in this area. But what he's promoting now is very irresponsible, in my opinion. I'm worried about his health and the perception that the non-low-carb community will have of us, since he's such a visible and vocal proponent of low carb.

Moderate protein, higher percentage of healthy fats, and lots of healthy vegetables. That is the way to follow low carb if you want to improve your health."

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Eddie Mitchell
July 23 2014
NS said "Perhaps next time you can contribute with a bit more honesty and integrity"

Rather slippery of you NS to copy and paste my post and leave out the good news. I also said.

As a type two diabetic controlling my diabetes with a low carb (50 grams per day) high fat diet for close on six years, I reckon my dietary lifestyle is about right. Going from 300 grams plus carbs at diagnosis to 50 is a big chunk out of my daily food intake. As my protein intake has been about the same all my adult life, the fats had to be increased to maintain the same daily calorie intake. No rocket science needed there. The extra calories from fats came by way of butter, double cream, cheese, nuts, avocado, oily fish, olive oil and seeds etc.

This diet has kept BG numbers non diabetic, helped with BP, a good lipid panel and minimal diabetes medication (2 x 500mg Metformin) it works, it's simple, and I enjoy food as much as I ever did. Checking out the meals, Jan and myself and many diabetic friends eat and have been posted here, and on our website and food blog, most would say the meals do not appear to be overly high in fats.
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FrankG
July 23 2014
NS wrote You are free to form your own opinions but not to create facts as you see fit. Nothing in the facts is "exaggerated." Perhaps next time you can contribute with a bit more honesty and integrity.

I was addressing the following exaggerated caricature in your comment... that is a fact...

because after all "drinking cream/feasting on fat" should be encouraged....

Perhaps next time YOU can contribute with a bit more honesty and integrity.

I have no interest in discussing the particulars of Jimmy Moore here... none of my business. That you hang on his every word on Twitter I think rather says something about you.

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FrankG
July 23 2014 1
Clarification...

I now see that pretty much the entire comment #23 by NS was a copy and paste from elsewhere... not really very clearly done.

That changes nothing from what I said...

I have no interest in discussing the particulars of Jimmy Moore here... none of my business. That anyone hangs on his every word on Twitter I think says something about them, rather than Jimmy. What is the fascination with him?

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Galina L
July 23 2014
In US one stick of butter is the equivalent of 1/2 cup , or four ounces, or 113 grams of butter. Usually one pack of butter consists of two (half of one lb) or four ( one lb )separately wrapped sticks.

Unfortunately, not everyone can solve personal metabolic and weight problems even on a LC diet, however I think that eating such diet gives several advantages for the people like Jimmy anyway. From my point of view he is misguided by his food instinct more than some average person - very few people can relate to eating so much butter.
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tony
July 23 2014 1
Such ab obsession. How sad. JM has occupied space in NS and EK's brains. Get a life you two!

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FrankG
July 23 2014 1
Indeed Tony... as Murray pointed out: JM has provided a platform for a great many people (including EK) to have a voice but ultimately his own health is an n=1 experience and not I'd say, a reflection of the great number of those adopting a successful LCHF approach. Dr Andreas has demonstrated on this blog alone, a sampling of successful n=1 LCHF stories, which more than outweigh all the fuss and nonsense of those obsessing over JM.

EK herself I have not time for.. so her health holds no interest for me. I don't find her a credible source. Last time I read over there she continued in her vicious, sarcastic, abusive way.. delighting in "witty" acronyms or "cutesy super-hero" names for the individuals she was targeting. Not a scientific approach but rather appealing to the lowest-common denominators and basest natures of humanity. Even if there are occasional gems of wisdom offered over there from time to time, I'm not willing to drag myself through the mire to discover something that I have no doubt will come to light via more rational avenues in due course... assuming it was worthwhile to begin with.
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Pepper Culpepper
August 4 2015
Frank G
I could not have worded my thoughts on EK's disturbing obsession with criticizing others than you have here. Thank you.

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