1. John Cox
    I've read that there are issues with choline and the prostate. What is your opinion?
  2. Zepp
    Well.. if its not fat anymore then it must be something els!

    Choline is a new track to follow/investigate!

    And it boils down to that choline can form TMAO.. but they dont measure higher levels of TMAO when they make there test persons eat eggs and supplement choline!

    And there are other foods that are high in TMAO.. seafood have plenty.. and those are if anything protective against cancer, stroke and CVD!

    They must find another track to follow!

  3. Mitch
    'Unlucky' Genetics
    High stress
    Lack of sleep
    Lack of exercise/walking
    Poor diet
  4. Nate
    Well, my bet is on sugars with their amble ability for glycation and creating inflammation. But the jury is still out and I'm glad the author reserved placing all of the blame on sugars at this time.
  5. Michael
    I have always have problems eating greens. But I've noticed that any steamed leaf tastes great when accompanied by egg yolks or meat and butter. Or avocado.

    Even more, I've noticed that liver tastes much better when eaten with some leaves. And salt.

    I don't have to choose between being a vegan or being a carnivore.

    Perhaps humans are called omnivores not because what we can eat but because what we must eat.

    Genetics is to the Wester Society what Caste is in Indian Society: a great excuse to not do anything. And a motive to bully people.

    Nobody says nigger or fag today, but everyone talks about genetics. Evil intentions donot change with generations, only words change. And political correctness.

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  6. Mathieu
    "His most famous study, the seven-country study, started out much larger; he dropped 16 countries from the sample to get a significant correlation. Add them back in and it vanishes."

    There are 2 mistakes here.. the seven-country study and the six-country study were different studies entirely; and the correlation does not "vanish" but "greatly diminishes" when they are added back in. Also, we don't know whether he dropped them or never looked at them Keys never really says what he did. I shouldn't nitpick, because I'm glad to see another popular science writer come out with this message, but a lot of people seem to get this part wrong :)

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  7. Maud
    Great for this fat fearing, sugar and starch loving island. Maybe things will start to move, but it will take ages for the authorities.
  8. Cindy C
    Here are some things I add to greens like kale or turnip while cooking- coconut oil, bacon fat, or avocado oil. I cook them for 3-5 hours and always add some sea salt and organic apple cider vinegar. They end up very tender and tasty.
  9. erdoke
    I'm more worried about this statement:

    the main route by which the body lays down fat is to manufacture it from excess sugar in the liver

    DNL in humans is not a major pathway even in obese. Higher amounts of fructose indeed end up as (saturated) fat, but the rest is used as energy and the bulk of dietary fat is stored as fat.

  10. The Southerner
    The author of this article is not a scientist nor does he reference his claims. He's a Conservative politician in the UK.

    Dr Phinney, Atkins, etc, say that consuming saturated fat is not an issue IF you're carbohydrate intake is low (I assume under the "ketogenic" 120g per day limit). The same scientists/companies say that consuming saturated fat increases the risk of heart disease as your carbohydrate intake increases. Look up Dr Phinney on Youtube and read the Atkins Diet recommendations as you move through the stages of the diet (where carbs are gradually increased).

    For people that consume carbohydrates above 120g (the typical diet of the world which lives on staple carbohydrates) saturated fat is a major contributor to heart disease. This is taken as fact. Consult the WHO and virtually every government recommendation around the world. The recommendation is a low intake of saturated fat to save billions of dollars in health care costs. They are not liars.

    Maybe there's something lost in translation - but it would be helpful if Diet Doctor could be clearer about it's recommendations - is saturated fat OK regardless of carbohydrate consumption? Because that's not what the evidence says.

    Eat low carb - no worries with saturated fat. Enjoy it without fear. Eat more carbs - then reduce your saturated fat intake and increase your intake of mono and polyunsaturated fats. This is what the evidence points to. Look it up.

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  11. Vicente
    Opinions are zero "evidence".

    Effects of a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet on VLDL-triglyceride assembly, production, and clearance

    The effect of a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet on serum high density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglyceride

    More saturated fat, more cholesterol in the diet: better HDL and better TG levels.

    More saturated fat in the diet is better even when the diets are high in carbohydrates. If you disagree, please show me the scientific evidence. Opinions are nothing.

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  12. The Southerner
    I think you miss my point. What I am saying is that yes - opinions are zero "evidence". As I said - the columnist from The Times offered his opinion as a Conservative MP (with a degree in zoology) on cholesterol and saturated fat.

    Please tell me how (and I don't mean to be sarcastic - I actually want to know) the World Health Organisation (http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/diet/en/), the Harvard Medical School (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats-full-story/), Dr Stephen Phinney (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KYYnEAYCGk), virtually every government on earth, etc, etc, etc be wrong? Because these people/organisations have referenced tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers to state that "the intake of dietary saturated fat is strongly correlated to heart disease" (it's just Dr Phinney who adds the caveat "when carbohydrates are consumed". I include Dr Phinney because even he, as the main researcher along with Dr Volek, into low-carb diets over the last 30 years state the same. I can't remember the words used by Dr Phinney in the Youtube video but it's something like "we all know saturated fat is bad when you increase you intake of carbs" - it's in there if you have time to watch it.

    Even a low-carb diet using poly and mono fats instead of saturated achieve measurable better outcomes for the heart (http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/2/e003505.full) . If true this invalidates Dr Phinney's opinion.

    My question is: if we believe Dr Phinney (because some of us have had great success with the low-carb diet) at what intake of carbs is saturated fat consumption dangerous to heart health. Are you saying no limit? That it's better to eat lots of butter regardless of your carb intake? Because according to the science that is not correct. What doe Diet Doctor say.

    The most insane part of all of this is that saturated fat is absolutely not needed by the human body to manufacture cholesterol (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22350/). There is no argument against this fact. There are two essential fatty acids and neither of them are saturated.

    I want to live according to empirical evidence. I am extremely confused.

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  13. Vicente
    "these people/organisations have referenced tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers "

    I don't understand why you are having problems to show those papers to me. Can't you find one of those thousands?

    I showed to you two intervention studies that say you are wrong. And all you have are beliefs. I don't find beliefs interesting.

    Where is the evidence? I will not go on with this "conversation" unless you offer good science backing up your ideas.

    The New USDA Dietary Guidelines: Total Hogwash, and Here’s Why

  14. Zepp
    Its easy, fat is not the devil.. its when you get high glycemic and hyperinsulinemic that you have a problem!

    Governments tell us a lot of bugus.. its cald politics.. and it is almoste those departments that have responsibility of agricultural busines that provide recomendations for what to eat!

    "Findings: The Seven Countries study classified processed foods, primarily carbohydrates, as saturated fats. The UK government and NICE do the same, listing biscuits, cakes, pastries and savoury snacks as saturated fats. Processed foods should be the target of public health advice but not natural fats, in which the UK diet is deficient. With reference to the macro and micro nutrient composition of meat, fish, eggs, and dairy foods the article demonstrates that dietary trials cannot change one type of fat for another in a controlled study. Interpretation: The evidence suggests that processed food is strongly associated with the increase in obesity, diabetes, CHD, and other modern illness in our society. The macro and micro nutrients found in meat, fish, eggs and dairy products, are vital for human health and consumption of these nutritious foods should be encouraged."


  15. Zepp
    And on top of that.. there are no evidence based food regimes.. so you can stop eating right now!
  16. The Southerner
    You win Vicente, you too Zepp. Enjoy your food.
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  17. Zepp
    No offence I hope?

    Im living in Sweden.. one of the moste wealthy countrys on the planet.. Im not rich, nor poor, I can buy all the food I like.. I think the same of you!

    Focus more on quality on the food you eat, try to buy the moste nutrient food you can get your hands on.

    Even at megastores they have freshfood, avoid all processed junkfood!

    If they have organic or pasturised food, take this befor industrial breed or grown!

    And to goverments, we did force our goverment to replace the question of what to eat frome our agriculturar department to our healt department!

    Soo, now we have two different govermental advice of what to eat!

    One advice for healty people, another for those that are obese/have diabetes!

  18. Paul
    Hi, Im Paul and I am 67 years old. I have recently been put on crestor by my doctor to prevent strokes ( I have already had two this year) However, the meds are expensive, so I have to buy generic crestor online to even be able to take my medicine. My question is, is this ok? I've been ordering generic crestor for six months and my levels seem fine, but I want to be able to eat eggs again! My wife is hiding them! Here's what I take, if it helps: http://canadapharmacyrx.com/generic-crestor.html
  19. jim
    nice tips about cholesterol
    i will add this info on my blog
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  21. Wynema
    I am so happy I found this site after watching "The Magic Pill". I recommend the documentary and this site to everyone I talk to. That is several people so far because since the 1st of June when I became serious about this, I have lost 14 pounds. Not an easy accomplishment for a 63 year old female. I have been a diabetic for 10 years. I have tried to control it with diet/exercise instead of "The Magic Pill". I have tried a few and they make me sicker than the diabetes. In May of this year my A1C was 8.4. When I returned to the doctor after being steadfast on Keto for just a few months, my A1C was 7.4. I invested in the Freestyle Libre and check my blood sugar about every hour to see how foods affect MY blood sugar and I was astonished. First my average blood sugar is around 135 which is awesome for a diabetic. That will give me a A1C below 6.7. I discovered EGGS ARE MY FRIEND and it is a good thing I LOVE them and am creative. I eat from 3 to 6 eggs per day. I feel better than I have in years. I am excited to go back to the doctor in November. :)

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