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  1. Scott Miller
    It's too bad that near the end they show bread as a healthy choice to get fiber from. Otherwise, extremely well done video.
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  2. Ash Simmonds
    It's funny how nearly every time someone gets it mostly right, they throw in a curveball at the end that gets it wrong.
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  1. Scott Miller
    It's too bad that near the end they show bread as a healthy choice to get fiber from. Otherwise, extremely well done video.
  2. Huffster
    Yeah, that was my reaction too. A nice piece but then they recommend whole grains, fruits, and legumes at the end. :( People need to be educated that these foods turn into sugar in the body.
  3. Jaybee86
    Fruit and true whole grain foods are still pretty healthy I went on the oatmeal diet and dropped 32 pounds in 5 & a half months ate lots of veggies and low glycemic fruits especially berries & of course Steele cut oats for breakfast and lunch! There is a large obesity epidemic in many countries and trust me its not cause people are eating too many apples and oranges lol! It's the fast food, snack foods, & all the other processed crap out there!
  4. Justin McCullough
    Ya, read labels! Don't eat sugar! You SHOULD eat bread and fruit that is high in sugar...
  5. Ash Simmonds
    It's funny how nearly every time someone gets it mostly right, they throw in a curveball at the end that gets it wrong.
  6. Richard David Feinman
    DietDoctor Have you ever treated an alcoholic. Or a cocaine addict. Are they just like sugar addicts? My take on sugar: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-10-45.pdf
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  7. Huffster
    Those who think that "true healthy whole grains" are good for you have not been following Dr. William Davis or his work too closely. Or, maybe just don't believe him. I have chosen to avoid all grains and dramatically reduce my sugar intake. Good results for me so far.

    Dr. Davis's blog can be found here: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/

  8. Andre Chimene
    If only number 5 was...eat more healthy fat..."it fills you up, cures your hunger and keeps you from craving sweets"..it would be perfect. Perfect is the enemy of the good, so I will pass this video on...with my Number 5 replacement...Healthy Fat!
  9. murray
    Richard that is an excellent paper. Thanks for the link. It helps to put Lustig's Fat Chance in perspective.To my mind, Lustig seemed weak on explaining the fructose metabolic pathways, and this exposes some of his metabolic legerdemain and confirmation bias rather nicely.
  10. Shannon
    I do get tired of the "sugar is just like cocaine/alcohol" followed by "just don't eat it!". On the one hand no, I don't really think my sugar addiction is as bad as an alcoholic. I think that's trivializing alcoholism and drug addiction.

    But while it may not be to that extent, I do feel that I am addicted to sugar. I've given it up completely many times (while eating a healthy paleo diet) and every single time I go back to it. I do think some of us need more help than "just don't eat it".

    A post addressing those of us who are addicts would be helpful.

  11. Richard David Feinman
    "...I go back to it" doesn't make it an addiction. It tastes good and it is highly reinforcing but people that you are close to die from liver disease from alcoholism and, as you say, you don't want to trivialize that. For a sweet tooth we do the best we can. Alcoholics cannot really have a small taste of anything but you can make work arounds for most sweet-consuming behavior.

    Dietdoctor is probably used to my giving him a hard time but we agree, as he said someplace, that cutting out just sugared soda is a good tactic for getting going on a low carb diet. However, if you put starch back in, you are probably no place.

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  12. murray
    I would distinguish the addictive effect from the side effects of the addictive substance. Nicotine addiction is not like heroin addiction is not like alcohol addiction is not like caffeine addiction, etc. even though they are all addictions. So to say sugar is not like heroin or alcohol misses the point. There seems to be plenty of evidence that sugar has addictive effects in the dopamine system, but plainly sugar is not as deleterious as heroin in its effects apart from the addictive effect. Granted, Lustig overstates the case, but that is political rhetoric and easily seen through.

    Nonetheless, lots of people (including me) experience a quite noticeable "sugar high" but I have yet to experience a corn or white rice high. The converse seems true, there is nicotine withdrawal, caffeine withdrawal, sugar withdrawal, but again, I have never had corn withdrawal or cravings for sushi rolls to get a white rice buzz.

  13. Richard David Feinman
    I think addiction is defined in terms of behavior rather than the hedonic value. Easy to over-eat starch.
  14. bill
    The cartoon makers could not have even read "Good Calories,
    Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes, yet their first
    3 out of only 6 citations are from Gary Taubes.

    This is another useless promulgation of pretty much
    conventional wisdom. Everybody knows you shouldn't
    eat 'too much' sugar. A waste of electrons on the

  15. Richard David Feinman
    I think the issue is whether sugar is an "addiction" in the sense that we cannot control our own behavior or the behavior of our children in the face of FrootLoops, and whether we need politicians to tax, punish and otherwise regulate things to help us with the harm that we might do ourselves. I don't think Hizzona' Mayor Bloomberg has better insight than I do and the question is whether I am more or less convinced because his advisor is a pediatrician who thinks that alcohol is a carbohydrate.
  16. Shannon
    I realized that I do have to address it like alcoholism and I can't even have that one small bit. I went 3 entire months with no added sugar and thought for sure I was ok and could have it "in moderation". So I had one small serving of a treat and within a week I was back to full on binging. I do think it's an addiction for me, but I still don't like it compared to people with serious drug addictions, not because I'm ashamed but because, like I said, it trivializes what they are dealing with.

    I'm working with supplements right now and also the mindset that once I do kick it, I have to not fall into the "moderation" trap.

  17. ZellZ
    No way do I think saying sugar is an addiction trivializes the other addictions. Sugar will just kill you more slowly than the other addictions....that's all. Sweets are extremely dangerous. For those who can eat them in moderation: I envy you. For me, I'd rather just eat desserts I make w/liquid stevia. I do not get the same high or feel the same cravings. I Can eat them in moderation. They are not that tempting. They are just good enough to feel like a reward, but not good enough to feed the binge monster. Specifically, the "fat bombs" I make, from this link:


    They are very tasty & take the edge off, just enough. As do blue berries in full fat, plain yogurt. I also have some diet soda when my sugar cravings are intense.

    No way is any of that even Close to the Craziness I experienced in the past when I binged like mad on regular sugar desserts.

    I have been having more intense cravings of late, for cake & ice cream, specifically. Thank you, Shannon, for showing me that if I slip up & have that stuff, I'm going to be back in binge hell.

    I need to stay On the wagon. For 3 years I've been "good". I don't want to throw it all away now. Sugar is a rush, but the rush is soon over. Sadly, the hell never ends, however. Or, it never ends until it ends. Until one finally has the strength to stop it. I only found that strength when I felt so horrible from all the sugar that stopping it Completely was a Relief. Then, the momentum carried me through. And now I must stay true to eating Low Carb & Sugar free. Although I Have had watermelon in the past, small amounts, w/no cravings for more. And being able to stop and being fine. Fruit doesn't cause me to binge. But, I mostly stick to small amounts of blueberries in plain sugar free, high fat yogurt.

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  18. Shannon
    ZellZ, I think, like someone upstream said, I feel it trivializes what other people are dealing with when they struggle with more serious addictions. I do think that I am addicted (yes physically, though I understand there's probably some mental in there too) to sugar, but while it's not good for me and may very well kill me someday, it's not going to be as hurtful to my health, my relationships, my life as, for example, alcoholism.

    So as someone else said, even if tobacco and heroin are both addictions, the effects (on life and health) are not the same. I don't smoke, but if I had to choose, I'd choose to be addicted to tobacco over heroin any day. And while I do hope to conquer sugar, I am also happy that at least it's not alcohol (which also runs in my family - I'm pretty sure it's related).

    And yeah, I feel that we have to deal with it as the addiction it is. It's not weak to admit we're not able to do "in moderation", it means we're strong enough to recognize that for whatever reason (physical, mental - who cares?) we just can't do that. We can't have one piece of something and stop (like my 14 year old daughter can!).

  19. ZellZ
    I get what you are saying, I really do. Sometimes I wonder: did I (unconsciously) "pick" sugar as my addiction, because the others were too dangerous (& illegal)? Then, too, kids eat sugar from the get-go, but usually Don't do heroin or smoke. Sugar is served at all birthdays & holidays, special times, school times, visits to relatives, after school snacks, etc. It becomes very much part of the fabric of all our lives. So, in that sense, it seems so Innocent, especially compared to the other addictions. But I still maintain that it's a Serious & Life Destroying Addiction. Yes it IS. And those 12 steps never helped for Me. Abstaining Totally from sugar is the only thing that helps. Like I said before, sugar will kill you, too. Just more slowly. So, in that sense, and in the sense of it being Legal, it appears to be far less dangerous than heroin or alcohol. And it probably IS, but in the end, pain is Pain. Destruction is Destruction. And Addiction is Addiction. It's probably Easier to quit booze, cigs or heroin than sugar, because, damn it, sugar is pushed at one Everywhere. You Can't Escape it! Someone's always pushing it at me in one way or another and my cravings can sometimes be VERY STRONG. So, No, I don't Trivialize Sugar Addiction. That's My Take, based on My Life. So: Agree to Disagree, I guess. I mean, I'm Glad I'm NOT addicted to booze, cigs, pills or any other drug - because I find sugar is really a Beast to fight! But I LOVE the lchf way of eating!!!! So, really, it's all Good. You've the right to your own take, your own views. I just wanted to share, a bit. I wish you all the best!
  20. Ed T
    The comparison between alcohol or opiate addiction in relation to sugar is somewhat overstated. I distinctly remember the feeling I experienced after I started the first drink of the day. Once alcohol triggered my compulsion, nothing else mattered. I kept drinking until I blacked out, I had no choice. Willpower wasn't even a consideration.

    With sugar, I experienced a much smaller compulsion to continue eating sugar. However, there was a similarity in that once I started eat refined sugar, I did not want to stop, although I could using willpower. So there may be some similarities between alcohol and sugar addiction, but for me, alcoholism and drug addiction is far more complex and powerful.

    I no longer ingest any alcohol because the consequences are too severe. Sugar, whether it be sucrose, glucose, fructose, etc is unavoidable but I can limit my intake by making better food choices. I also discovered that eliminating artificial sweeteners radically changed my taste sensitivity to anything sweet. A lot of foods with sugar are now too sweet. For example, I can no longer eat an apple or orange. The sweetest thing I can now eat is a berry.

  21. Ash Simmonds
    SIgh - sugar addiction is nothing like alcohol addiction. Or should I say - dependence.

    I'm an alcoholic - but someone who can ignore sweets no problem - so perhaps uniquely qualified to answer?

    Either way - alcoholism isn't so much an addiction, it's a DEPENDENCE.

    You get through part of the day, and then you want alcohol to get through the rest of it - not because you're addicted to it, but because the peace-of-mind you get through it.

    Sugar does none of this, it is purely addiction.

  22. Richard David Feinman
    Nobody has ever been admitted to a hospital with a diagnosis of sugar-associated liver disease. Maybe you think they have. Maybe you think that the high TAG came only from the sugar not anything else. In fact, outside of well defined inborn errors of metabolism like frucose intolerance, I think it would be pretty hard to identify any effects that are distinguishable from too much carbohdyrate across the board.
  23. Richard David Feinman
    I have not worked in behavioral psychology for many years but I think that "addiction" has precise requirements -- increasing amounts to satisfy, etc. and it is hard to attribute it to food, in general. Sugar is unusual in that it is a generalized reinforcer, that is, it is not under the control of deprivation. Animals will work for sugar even if they just ate. (That's why we serve dessert after the meal). While sugar is a real challenge for many of us, as others indicate, there is a qualitative difference from things that fit addictive behavior. Professional psychologists may be able to sharpen this comment. And, of course, those who think all the rest of us need taxation and punishment should explain how they have they themselves have been able to defeat this terrible toxin. I hate it when people tell me I am a bad person.
  24. Richard David Feinman
    In fact, whereas I would never criticize people for being overweight (with the notable exception of Kelly Brownell), Lustig himself says that he is gaining some weight and admits to intermittent Junior's cheesecake. If punishment really works, maybe he should tithe 10 % of his salary to the Nutrition and Metabolism Society. If that doesn't work, we can ratchet it up.
  25. bill
    Check out the sugary truth video website.

    They just posted a static version of the
    video and left out the bread because
    of all the comments they received.

    They still have bread on the video.

    They want to have it both ways. Who
    knows why. Disingenuous to say the least.

  26. Sid
    I switched to whole grain bread and still lost weight...but I only eat 2 slices max per day so I don't think bread is that bad. I eat potatoes once every week and pasta once every 2 weeks. I cut down sweets and lowered the carbs and lost 20lbs in 6 months. Cutting carbs to the extreme is hard to achieve long term for most people. For most people getting rid of pop, sweets and other junk food is all that is required to tip the scales towards weight loss.
  27. Richard David Feinman
    Sid has a good diet that is low, but not very low in carbs. Sid is most people. Which sentence is not true?

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