1. Johan Wallström
    Oh yeah, you want to push for a Mediterranean diet now all of a sudden?

    The one recommended by Keys himself. Focused on legumes, whole grains and vegetables, low in saturated fat, fish once a week and meat once a month. A low carb paradigm shift perpahs?


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  2. bill

    If I could give you 100 thumbs up, I would.

    There is no such thing as a Mediterranean diet. Can't
    folks get that through their heads?

    LCHF can be eaten within any culture.

  3. Maria
    Dr Malhorta speaks of a high fat Mediterranean diet low in starch. What is the problem? As any whole food diet with natural fats and low in processed carbs. An other name for it is LCHF :)
    Keys had an other idea of the diet, as I'm sure you know.
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  4. Eric
    What is the fat? Animal or seed oil? What is the carbohydrate? Sugar grain and potato or cauliflower cabbage and bok Chou? One size may not fit all but diet has co sequences. Sugar seed oil grain starchy food have consequences to blood sugars, insulin and our health and longevity

    IMO ketogenic diets are better than SAD and have much higher compliance than a print ikon or ornish or mc Douglas approach

  5. Jessica
    Did the first male interviewer actually say, "eat more than you consume..?"

    Um, what?

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  6. bill
    He may be carb addled.
  7. Johan Wallström
    The problem is that Eenfeldt is trying to pass this off as support for a low carb high fat diet. That's hardly what he intended.

    "What’s interesting is that the total fat consumption in the high fat Mediterranean diet was 41%. Now the current dietary guidelines tell us we shouldn’t see more than 30%."

    That's what Malhotra considers to be high fat. A diet "supplemented with olive oil or nuts". That's not really support for butter, is it?


    By the way, he is preffering this over a "traditional Mediterranean diet that was low fat and was higher in refined starches". Golly gosh, I never heard that a traditional mediterranean diet was supposed to be high in refined starches. In fact, olive oil and nuts substitute totally normal parts of the miditerranean diet concept. Refined starches do not. The high fat mediteranaen diet that he is talking about is the normal one.

    Please check the graphic here:

    The Mediterranean diet emphasizes:

    * Eating primarily plant-based foods, such as fruits and vegetables, whole grains, legumes and nuts
    * Replacing butter with healthy fats, such as olive oil
    * Using herbs and spices instead of salt to flavor foods
    * Limiting red meat to no more than a few times a month
    * Eating fish and poultry at least twice a week
    * Drinking red wine in moderation (optional)

    This is a mostly plant based diet that goes against the LCHF in many ways.

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  8. Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt, MD Team Diet Doctor
    Can't let the perfect be the enemy of the very good.
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  9. Johan Wallström
    So the standard mediteranaen diet is very good now. I thought low carbers always been opposed to that. Well, I'm not gonna complain, eating some healthy carbs and cutting down on butter and salt is mainstream advice that will do many people good.
    Reply: #10
  10. Peter Biörck Team Diet Doctor
    This blog post is about an article written by Dr. Aseem Malhotraand and he has no problem with saturated fats as you can see in this link : http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/oct/22/butter-cheese-sat...

    As you probably know there is no unambiguous definition of a Mediterranean diet and recent research indicates that increased intake of monounsaturated fats can be good for your heart health and saturated fats are neutral to health.

    Therefore LCHF believers love good monounsaturated and saturated fats :-)

  11. Johan Wallström
    Fair enough, he does claim saturated fat is not the issue in his opinion piece, but still my point is the medi diet trial PREDIMED that he is speaking about in this video is not supporting the low carb favorite butter. Fine, that might not has been his point either. But choosing olive oils and other vegetable oils has been on the core of the mainstream diet advice for a long time, and there is nothing in this trial that goes against common knowledge. Unless you consider a diet focused on legumes, whole grains, fruits and vegetables together with the oil and nuts to be very low carby.

    What is called the high fat medi diet is really the standard medi diet while the low fat version is some kind of thing that noone has ever suggested (increased refined starches), while still consisting of more fat than the normal recommendations. However, you can see yourself that the difference in composition of the diets were small and thus not alot could be learned from this study.

  12. BobM
    Hmm...I'm not doing so well at the Med diet:

    * Eating primarily plant-based foods, such as fruits and vegetables, whole grains, legumes and nuts (I eat: vegetables, some nuts, berries every once in a while; nothing else)
    * Replacing butter with healthy fats, such as olive oil (I eat: as much animal fat as I can per day; I don't mind olive oil, but don't think it's a magic elixir; I avoid other vegetable fats)
    * Using herbs and spices instead of salt to flavor foods (I eat: salt and herbs and spices; there's nothing wrong with salt)
    * Limiting red meat to no more than a few times a month (if pork is red meat, I eat "red meat" as much as possible)
    * Eating fish and poultry at least twice a week (I don't like either of these much, but do eat fish 1-2 times per week and probably the same for poultry; I avoid white mean from chicken though, and prefer duck)
    * Drinking red wine in moderation (optional) (I drink some red wine every once in a while)

    People who write these recommendations I find to be scientifically unsound. For instance, pork fat is over half monounsaturated fat of the same type in olive oil. Pork fat has more saturated fat than olive oil, but I find it difficult to believe the small difference between the two is the reason for heart disease.

  13. bill
    Dr E:

    By continually saying this: "Can't let the perfect be the enemy of the very good,"
    you end up endorsing some pretty lousy stuff.

    Surely there's much better things out there to tout.

  14. Caleb
    I think people are missing the point here. The news item was about the fear of dietary fat being unfounded. While not everything in the video is ideal, it marks an important step that more outlets are beginning to become more comfortable with this concept. Remember that it wasn't long ago that even the people that knew this to be true wouldn't state it publicly for fear of retribution.
  15. bill
    My point was strictly referring to the so-called
    "Mediterranean" diet. There is no such thing.
    Why tell people to eat it? That is a waste of
    time and energy.

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