Even Tour de France cyclists avoid carbs to stay lean

Even chefs for Tour de France cyclists know more about weight control than most calorie-obsessed so called experts. And even elite cyclists need to avoid over-indulging in carbs:

Today’s a rest day, so we do a low-carb lunch for them. They’re not going so far, they just want to keep their legs going, so we don’t want to fill them up too much. And we don’t want to go too hard on the carbs so they don’t gain weight.

Then we have a philosophy of using lots of vegetables, proteins, and cold-pressed fats, and then we use a lot of gluten-free alternatives. So we try to encourage the riders to try other things than just pasta and bread. I do gluten-free breads as well.

It’s all to minimize all the little things that can stop you from performing 100 percent, that promote injuries, stomach problems, all those things.

Fueling the Tour: Q&A with Saxo chef Hannah Grant

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111 comments

  1. bill
    Lest we not forget who sponsors
    the Academy for Nutrition and
    Dietetics:

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/?s=dietetics&submit.x=-1093&submi...

    Do you even follow this website, Ondrej?

    Give it a rest!

    Reply: #54
  2. Paul
    PLoS One. 2011;6(9):e24620. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0024620. Epub 2011 Sep 12.

    D-β-hydroxybutyrate is protective in mouse models of Huntington's disease.

    Lim S, Chesser AS, Grima JC, Rappold PM, Blum D, Przedborski S, Tieu K.
    Source
    Department of Neurology in the Center for Translational Neuromedicine, University of Rochester, Rochester, New York, United States of America.

    Abnormalities in mitochondrial function and epigenetic regulation are thought to be instrumental in Huntington's disease (HD), a fatal genetic disorder caused by an expanded polyglutamine track in the protein huntingtin. Given the lack of effective therapies for HD, we sought to assess the neuroprotective properties of the mitochondrial energizing ketone body, D-β-hydroxybutyrate (DβHB)

    These pre-clinical findings suggest that by simultaneously targeting the mitochondrial and the epigenetic abnormalities associated with mutant huntingtin, DβHB may be a valuable therapeutic agent for HD.

  3. Ondrej
    "This is a unique study showing ultrastructural variation in cardiac muscle in relation to cardio-protective function in rats"

    "D-β-hydroxybutyrate is protective in mouse models of Huntington's disease"

    Humans are not rats.

    Replies: #55, #56
  4. Ondrej
    I'm not connected nor do I defend those companies or their products.

    See no.49.

    But if you need to create an enemy to blame for your dietary woes or provide an incentive to comply with your LCHF diet....

  5. Paul
    We all, the genuine followers of the Dietdoctor blog, know that you Ondrej are not so dumb/naive. No one who can read and write can be so dumb/naive. We all know here that you are on employ by some sugar/drugs pushing company, which pays you handsomely to get back maybe one of us back to the party. Well, we ain't goin' back Ondrej. Most of us were your party's members before and we left. We ain't join' back. Policy of your party does not suit us - we matured, evolved, got our health back. Our lives changes because of LCHF diet beyond expectations. So what I am trying to say is that no-one really takes seriously your "intellectual" rantings here. Do not waste your time here and in a process do not make a clown out of yourself. I am sure that people who follow vegan blogs will love your way of "reason". But as you know we live in a free world, so if this pleases you do continue to "contribute" to LCHF blog. Personally I find your input amusing.
  6. Paul
    Oooo I forgot.

    "Humans are not rats." - this is one of many proofs showing how simplistic/immature/undeveloped in your thinking you are.

    Reply: #57
  7. Ondrej
    Hey Paul, take this rat picture:

    http://vetmed.duhs.duke.edu/Photos/rt2.jpg

    print it and hold it standing at a mirror. See the difference?

    Replies: #58, #59, #60
  8. Paul
    What about the story about the girl who started to talk after intervention of ketogenic diet ? - no insightful comments there ?. What about numerous publications showing marked improvement of patients with Alzheimer's on ketogenic diets - no constructive suggestions ?
    Your knowledge of animal/human physiology is zero, nothing, nil. It does not exist.
    Reply: #61
  9. Paul
    Ooooo I forgot. This picture of a rat as the response - yet another proof how childish/grotesque bordering fanatical/underdeveloped you are. Almost vegan-like.
  10. Paul
    Ooo I forgot.
    You try to teach people what they should or should not eat ?. You who can not tell the differences/similarities between human and rat physiology ?
  11. Ondrej
    "What about the story about the girl who started to talk after intervention of ketogenic diet ?"

    A keto diet is appropriate for certain medical conditions, just like analgesics are appropriate for headaches. You don't take analgesics without a headache.

    "This picture of a rat as the response - yet another proof how childish/grotesque bordering fanatical/underdeveloped you are. Almost vegan-like"

    Does this response mean you didn't see a difference?

    "You try to teach people what they should or should not eat ?"

    I only present supported facts.

    "You who can not tell the differences/similarities between human and rat physiology ?"

    rats = humans?

    Reply: #65
  12. FrankG
    And if Galileo, Newton and Einstein limited themselves to "only supported facts" I wonder what kind of medieval backwater this planet would be today?

    Again my favourite quote from Jacob Bronowski regarding University Students "It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin, barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are not here to worship what is known, but to question it."

    I've asked before without response and to be honest I don't even really care what you have to say at this stage but exactly what is it that you think makes you qualified Ondrej, to offer dietary or weight-loss advice? Do you have any personal, practical or even clinical experience to offer, or are you (as I suspect) a lean 20-something who think he has a good bead on everything. A [currently] naturally lean person who mistakenly thinks that automatically makes him an "expert" on how to stay lean?

    And for the record I was also naturally lean into my late 20's but no I have several decades of trying just about every "weight-loss" strategy while struggling with excess fat mass and ultimately metabolic disorder.

    Replies: #63, #66
  13. Ondrej
    As I've said before, I'm only trying to help you.
  14. FrankG
    Good grief... I won't even respond to that again
  15. Paul
    "A keto diet is appropriate for certain medical conditions, just like analgesics are appropriate for headaches. You don't take analgesics without a headache."

    "rats = humans?"

    My deep apologies Ondrej. I did not realize that you do not have a scientific background and do not read scientific literature.
    I allowed myself liberty and read few of your posts. You are inconsistent. You are unable to infer, analyze, evaluate, compare. As far as human physiology is concerned you simply do not get it. Nothing, nil, zero.
    I won't wish you good luck, because I am sure (judging just by the first quote) you will make it in this world.

    Reply: #67
  16. Ondrej
    "And if Galileo, Newton and Einstein limited themselves to "only supported facts" I wonder what kind of medieval backwater this planet would be today?"

    So you see yourself as a modern Galileo, Newton and Einstein for believing factless dogma such as metabolic advantage, which has never been proven in a random clinical trial.

    "Again my favourite quote from Jacob Bronowski regarding University Students "It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin, barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are not here to worship what is known, but to question it."

    Jacob Bronowski was well grounded in the physical sciences and never suggested accepting a theory on faith. Are you suggesting you are his equivalent?

    "I've asked before without response and to be honest I don't even really care what you have to say at this stage but exactly what is it that you think makes you qualified Ondrej, to offer dietary or weight-loss advice? Do you have any personal, practical or even clinical experience to offer, or are you (as I suspect) a lean 20-something who think he has a good bead on everything. A [currently] naturally lean person who mistakenly thinks that automatically makes him an "expert" on how to stay lean?"

    I've only reported well documented facts, not the tenuous hypotheses without support which you present. Ignore facts at your own risk.

    Since you chose to mischaracterize my persona, I'll respond that you sound like an angry bitter old man with musical problems.

    "And for the record I was also naturally lean into my late 20's but no I have several decades of trying just about every "weight-loss" strategy while struggling with excess fat mass and ultimately metabolic disorder."

    ...but you didn't eat more than you burned right. You gained weight by magic. However, at 75 this fellow still maintains single digit body fat percentage ON A HIGH CARB DIET:

    http://www.cbass.com/PICTORAL.HTM#Still

    Replies: #68, #69, #71
  17. Ondrej
    So research results on rats transpose to humans even though no human is a rat…physiologically speaking, that is.

    You don’t have to cite rat studies that are totally irrelevant to your human audience.

    Being consistent and standing by a valid and readily verifiable belief makes you feel good about yourself – deep down inside you know that, no matter what happens in life, you can hold your head high in the knowledge that you are straight with people and feeding them the plain facts, whether they want to acknowledge them or not.

    Reply: #70
  18. FrankG
    Ondrej you are not being intellectually honest in your comments. You are creating straw-men and arguments ad absurdum.

    I offered Galileo etc... as examples of scientific minds who thought outside the "consensus" or accepted norm of their time. I was not "seeing myself" as anything and certainly (like these examples) do not trust ANYTHING on blind faith.

    You may pretend to have the moral, ethical and scientific high ground all you like but you are deluding yourself if your actually believe that, or you are purposely trying to mislead others here; if you already know it to be false.

    I have discussed "metabolic advantage" in previous comments. There is no "magic" which breaks any laws of physics.

    There is plenty of evidence (growing daily, so it seems), both in rigorous science and also anecdotal, in favour of LCHF eating as a safe, viable, sustainable and effective means to manage excess fat mass and an host of other disorders.

    You are not undermining my own convictions by your petty tricks and games.

  19. FrankG
    Games like stating "Since you chose to mischaracterize my persona, ..." whereas in point of FACT what I actually asked was a question (see the '?'.. bit of clue there for ya)

    ... "I've asked before without response and to be honest I don't even really care what you have to say at this stage but exactly what is it that you think makes you qualified Ondrej, to offer dietary or weight-loss advice? Do you have any personal, practical or even clinical experience to offer, or are you (as I suspect) a lean 20-something who think he has a good bead on everything. A [currently] naturally lean person who mistakenly thinks that automatically makes him an "expert" on how to stay lean?".

    A question which you once again studiously avoided answering BUT in previous comments you have claimed to be a medical student... while I accept that it is possible to be a mature student at anything but what would you suggest in the normal average age for a medical student? You also frequently post blogs from personal trainers like Adam Arrogant and others... so I would have thought it safe to assume you frequent such blogs out of personal interest (or maybe you just like looking at the buff bodies?). Correct me if I am wrong but how is any of this a mischaracterization? But if I AM wrong, then why not simply correct me, instead of taking it as some kind of carte blanche to act all wounded and launch into a personal attack?

    "I'll respond that you sound like an angry bitter old man with musical problems."

    ...as if your words have ANY impact on me :LOL

    The "science" which you try to force down out throats is not new... much of it has already been read, dissected, and dismissed as unconvincing. No doubt you would claim the same about the many studies posted even just here by Dr Eenfeldt. So who is right? I know what I think.

  20. Paul
    "You don’t have to cite rat studies that are totally irrelevant to your human audience."

    I repeat: My apologies not realizing that science is a stranger to you, more than it is for most people with only curious interests in science.

    if a study on rats would show that a given food additive causes cancer, would that be irrelevant to you ?. Would you happily consume that additive?
    The pares I cited described research concerning function of nervous system, physiology of which is conserved to a great degree in animal kingdom.
    As it is obvious even from Dr Eenfeldt blog that reduction in dietary carbohydrates brings far greater benefits to our body that just weight reduction. And seems to me that weight is the only issue you are preoccupied, completely ignoring overall physiology - because you know that you have lost the argument. (or may be you don't know, I take this possibility that some one can be that closed-minded)

    Reply: #72
  21. FrankG
    "...but you didn't eat more than you burned right. You gained weight by magic."

    You do love your games don't you?

    Evidently I was STORING more than I was burning... despite your frequent insinuations, I am not denying any laws of physics. BUT storing more does not necessarily follow directly from eating more. As I recall I did not make any change at the time I went from being lean to when I started storing excess fat mass: same, job, same lifestyle, same food, same regular physical activity... in fact I didn't even own an car yet... I bicycled everywhere!

    Pesky things these "facts" eh?

  22. FrankG
    "... weight is the only issue you are preoccupied, completely ignoring overall physiology"

    Exactly Paul... negative commenters like Ondrej have no substance to their position (other than, of course, "consensus" -- just like the Pope had back in Galileo's day) and so rely on "non-issues", blown out of all proportion to try and fabricate a scare-crow:

    Arguably (and I would argue it) LCHF is no better than any other "diet" at "weight" loss and yes there are some people who evidently "plateau" on even LCHF, but in rigorous study after rigorous study, it invariably shows improvements in other important health markers such as HDL-C,Triglycerides Blood Glucose, Blood Pressure and YES even Basal Metabolic Rate.

    It is petty and childlike to try and detract from these obvious positives by continually pulling focus back to the "so-so" or even (as some perceive them) negative results of LCHF

    You don't prove your case by disproving mine but you haven't even done that yet Ondrej.

    Reply: #73
  23. Paul
    "markers such as HDL-C,Triglycerides Blood Glucose, Blood Pressure and YES even Basal Metabolic Rate."
    plus whole list of lets call them anecdotals : increased alertness, less sickness, full of energy, better sleep et cetera et cetera
    Plus reports of patients and family practitioners of recoveries from various diseases, which in some cases lasted for many years, et cetera et cetera

    Ondrej - your stance does have potential to harm people, have you realized this ?. As far as I am concerned you are no different to soft drink conglomerate.

  24. Paul
    For Non-Ondrejs-of-this-world-eyes-only!!!

    It is my feeling that we just scratching the surface of enormous benefits the ketogenic diet have on our physiology. Ok it is a rat eye and I am not an expert on cornea biology but, I would venture and say that at the cell physiology level there is not much difference between rat and human eye. Let us all draw our own conclusions.

    Invest Ophthalmol Vis Sci. 2005 Jul;46(7):2379-87.

    D-beta-hydroxybutyrate protects against corneal epithelial disorders in a rat dry eye model with jogging board.
    Nakamura S, Shibuya M, Nakashima H, Imagawa T, Uehara M, Tsubota K.
    Source
    Ophtecs Corporation, Hyogo, Japan. research3@ophtecs.co.jp

  25. Paul
    for some reason I did not attached conclusions of the above studies - my brain needs more sugar, surely.
    Here there are:

    This rat dry eye model, established by repeated jogging board treatment in desiccating conditions, induced abnormal tear dynamics and superficial punctate keratopathy similar to that in humans. These findings suggest the potential clinical application of HBA in corneal surface epithelial disorders in patients with moderate to mild dry eye.

  26. Ondrej
    These personal attacks on me clearly show how tenuous the low carb paradigm is when its fanatics have to rely on personal (but unconfirmed) success tales and rat studies.

    After all, this website is about low carb,not me.

    Keep it up fellows!

    Replies: #77, #78
  27. FrankG
    Wahhh wahhh wahhh... poor widdle baby who sees personal attacks at every turn when he is just trying to help us! Oh noes! :-(

    If you really want a personal attack then "I think you are an idiot!" Not because you claim to have a different set of convictions as to what constitutes an healthy way of eating but because you seem to think that anyone who does not share YOUR view must be an idiot.

    You seem to think that you can FORCE others to your way of thinking or else and that only you have the power of science on your side. Not only are you wrong (idiot!) but you fail to see that the folks here are offering an alternate, an option.. take it or leave it. No one is trying to force LCHF on anyone else.

    And now over to you 'cos we all know how you like the final word.... he who shouts last gets to win the argument right... isn't that the rules in kindergarten?

    Reply: #79
  28. Paul
    you see Ondrej, that is what I mean, when I say that your are inconsistent and can not infer:
    I asked you a question: if it was found that food causes cancer in rats, would you eat it?
    And tell me, if you say with such a dismissive authority that neurological research on rats are irrelevant to humans - what and where are the differences between cell neurophysiology of a rat and an human? If comparison between rat and human (and I say it again at the cellular level of neurophysiology) is irrelevant than surely these differences are such obvious ones that all those people doing such research are well - idiots, who waste their time not even knowing that humans are not rats !!
    Reply: #80
  29. Ondrej
    "You seem to think ..."

    So now you know what I think! You must be like a God. Wouldn't your powers be more useful playing poker?

    "... that you can FORCE others to your way of thinking"

    I'm not forcing anybody. I'm only giving you the other side of the story. I don't see why that would make you angry. Are you so sensitive that when I assert with evidence that the biggest myth in weight loss is your belief that calories do not count or are of only minor importance when it comes to weight loss. Reading your posts makes sense according to this study:

    In a study published in the International Journal of Obesity, overweight women consuming either a ketogenic or non-ketogenic 600-calorie/day low-carbohydrate diet were monitored for twenty-eight days. This study was performed under metabolic ward conditions, giving us the confidence that the subjects actually followed the diets they were assigned. Contrary to what the metabolic advantage promoters would have you believe, there was no statistically significant difference in weight loss between the two groups.

    However, weight loss was not the only outcome measured on this diet. The study also examined the effect of ketogenic versus non-ketogenic diets on cognitive function. The researchers found that, in the first week, ketogenic dieters performed far worse on the trail making task, a widely used test that measures a range of neuropsychological skills including letter and number recognition, visual scanning, motor speed and sequencing ability. After the first week, the ketogenic group began to improve their test results, but by the time the study concluded at 28 days, their results were still lagging behind the non-ketogenic dieters.

    Wing RR, et al. Cognitive effects of ketogenic weight-reducing diets. International Journal of Obesity, 1995; 19: 811-816

    Still fat with a mental impairment.....

  30. Ondrej
    As long as you equate rats with humans, we cannot have a dialogue. Do you eat a lot of cheese?
    Replies: #81, #83, #108
  31. Paul
    "As long as you equate rats with humans,"
    "by the time the study concluded at 28 days,"
    - another example that you can not evaluate, compare, distinguish, infer, judge, analyze et cetera et cetera ad infinitum.
    do you know how long it takes to get ketoadapted ?
    You simply do not understand scientific method and process. So we won't have a dialog.
  32. FrankG
    Here's another for you Ondrej.. you are a lying two-faced hypocrite who judges others by standards that he does not apply to himself.

    Wow.. an whole 28 day study! That's nearly a month long! Impressive. Almost as good as your one about the eating habits of Tour de France competitors circa 1989... 'cos evidently nothing has changed about the technology or training methods employed by these multimillion dollar invested teams in the intervening decades... obviously. Jacka$$ You really do think everyone else but you is a gullible idiot eh? Once again you have been judged and come up wanting.

    Replies: #84, #86
  33. Paul
    "Do you eat a lot of cheese?"
    you do not even know your fairy-tales all that good, (not to mention biology of rodents). In grandma stories, it is mice not rats which eat cheese.
    Reply: #85
  34. Ondrej
    Is this long enough for you:

    Researchers from the CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation) in Adelaide, Australia compared the effects of a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet with a conventional high-carbohydrate, low-fat diet on mood and cognitive function. The low-carbohydrate diet provided 35% of total energy as protein, 61% as fat, and 4% as carbohydrate; the high-carbohydrate diet provided 24% of total energy as protein, 30% as fat, and 46% as carbohydrate. The diets were designed to be isocaloric and to have a moderate calorie restriction of around 30% for 8 weeks.

    After eight weeks, mean scores on the Beck Depression Inventory, Spielberger State Anxiety Inventory and Total Mood Disturbance of the Profile of Mood States psychological questionnaires had improved similarly on both diets. Working memory test scores increased similarly in both groups, while speed of processing improved to statistically significantly greater degree on the high-carbohydrate diet[Halyburton].

    Noting that most studies on the topic were relatively short in duration, the CSIRO researchers later published a 12-month report[Brinkworth]. After one year, both groups lost the same amount of weight (13.7 kg) and experienced similar reductions in plasma glucose and serum insulin levels.

    Scores on the Beck Depression Inventory, Total Mood Disturbance of the Profile of Mood States and anger-hostility, confusion-bewilderment, and depression-dejection subscales of the Profile of Mood States decreased (improved) initially in both diet groups and tended to remain low in the high-carbohydrate group but rebounded toward baseline levels over time in the low-carbohydrate group. At 12 months, scores on the Profile of Mood States subscales of anger-hostility, confusion-bewilderment, and depression-dejection and the Total Mood Disturbance of the Profile of Mood States score were significantly lower in the high-carbohydrate group than in the low-carbohydrate group. On the Spielberger State Anxiety Inventory, differences were also evident between the diet groups at 12 months. A similar pattern of change was evident on the Beck Depression Inventory, although the difference between the diet groups did not reach statistical significance (P = .11). Both diets had similar effects on working memory and speed of processing.

    So here we have the longest-running study so far, and it showed significantly worse psychological outcomes for the low-carbohydrate diet.

  35. Ondrej
    Excerpt from "Why Calories Count July 23, 2013 by Armi Legge"

    You Are Not a Rodent

    Rodents also only lose weight when they’re in a caloric deficit, but there is at least one rodent study that found a ketogenic diet (generally less than 100 grams of carbs per day in humans) increased metabolic rate and weight loss more than a high-carb diet.137

    However, there are several reasons these results are far less important than they appear at first sight.

    First of all, there are other studies showing that rats overfed on a ketogenic diet still gain significant amounts of fat — more so than on high-carb diets.138 In another mouse study where a ketogenic diet also increased energy expenditure and prevented weight gain, it still caused insulin resistance.139

    Other studies have also found that rats placed on a low-carb diet don’t lose weight unless they also eat fewer calories.140

    However, none of these animal studies show how a specific diet will help you lose weight. Rats are not humans, and studies on rats, mice, and other animals can never be completely generalized to people.

    Rodents have several different physiological traits that may make it easier for them to gain fat on high-carb diets.141-143 They convert carbohydrate to fat (a process called “de novo lipogenesis”) about 10 times more efficiently than humans do.144,145 This is true for other animals like pigs as well.146 Rodents also process protein and fat differently.147,148

    It’s fine to make educated guesses based on rodent studies of how something might work in humans. However, those results have to be validated by controlled human studies before you can call them anything more than “interesting.”

    If we later find that the same diet that caused fat loss in rats didn’t work for humans, and this holds true for multiple studies, then it doesn’t work for humans — period. That’s exactly what we’ve found with low-carb diets and weight loss.

    How to lose weight is one of the most thoroughly researched questions in the past 100 years, and at this point we have enough good human trials to stop worrying about rat studies. Not that they don’t have some value, but they don’t meet the same standard of evidence that human studies do.

    Reply: #89
  36. Ondrej
    FrankG, you seem to have a far greater than normal capacity for denying reality, and for going off like a wayward firecracker when someone presents views that contradict your cherished dogma.

    Your penchant for performing all manner of mental contortionism in order to rationalize scientifically untenable beliefs would garner envy from even the most fanatical Creationist.

    I think you need to start eating more carbohydrates.

    Reply: #87
  37. FrankG
    Blah blah blah blah blah... :-P Idiot

    Ondrej you seem to have a far greater than normal capacity for denying reality, and for going off like a wayward firecracker when someone presents views that contradict your cherished dogma.

    Your penchant for performing all manner of mental contortionism in order to rationalize scientifically untenable beliefs would garner envy from even the most fanatical Creationist.

    I think you need to start eating more saturated animal fat.

    Reply: #91
  38. FrankG
    But hey yet another direct quote from Ant honey Colpoopo and another Adam Arrogant wannabe (who from his photo looks to be about 16 years old!).. way to keep those RCTs of an impeccably high standard Ondredge.

    If I didn't know any better I'd be guessing that you are incapable of forming your own thoughts but can only rely on others to tell you what you think and say. Interesting.....

    Reply: #93
  39. Paul
    I never presented diet intervention studies here where rodents were used. You see, you can not judge, and evaluate. You put 'words' into my mouth. You are not 'listening' what people are saying. I am not talking about weight gain/loss in rats.
    I presented studies pertaining to the function of e.g. nervous system - can you really not grasp the difference.
    As I said before you only talk about weight gain/loss. For me (and as it is for few others on this blog from what I can tell) weight on LCHF diet is not an issue or holds my fascination, because weight fixes itself. Most people on LCHF do not have weight problem. I agree rodents are not a good model to study dietary intervention, I would never take such a study at face value.

    Would you eat food which gave rats cancer?.

    Yes or no answer, so few thousand people who read this blog know who you are.

    Replies: #90, #92
  40. Ondrej
    This is a foolish question since I am not a rat. i would only make a decision based on human studies.

    So the answer is no. However, since I've already stated that “Numerous scientific authorities, including the Academy for Nutrition and Dietetics, have acknowledged that the most effective
    way to achieve and sustain a healthy weight is to exercise regularly and eat a balanced, nutrient-dense diet that allows for the enjoyment of all foods within individual calorie limits” this question is not applicable to me.

    Would you eat food that gave goldfish cancer?

    If you answer yes......

    But if you are a rat............

  41. Ondrej
    Believe it or not, I think you are starting to see the light, because imitation is the greatest for of flattery..
  42. Ondrej
    Paul, for your information, we have a worldwide obesity epidemic.

    Obesity increases the probability of having deadly diseases.

    Since people become obese from eating more than they burn, don't you think that the cure for obesity is to eat less than you burn?

    If you say no, you are hopeless.

    Replies: #95, #99, #100, #102
  43. Ondrej
    To you RCT's don't count. Only your opinion.

    But since you see yourself as a modern Galileo, Newton and Einstein.........

  44. FrankG
    "imitation is the greatest for of flattery" -- did you mean "form of" perhaps???

    But in this case these are not even your own words... unless you are really Anthony Colpo?

    If you are not him then you are an mindless idiot who only parrots what others tell him to say... word for exact word. Surely you realised that Google facilitates exact phrase searches? Or is plagiarism OK in your world of double-standards?

    You are the one who claims to only ever over offer RCTs of the highest calibre... except that evidently you don't. As I charged: you are a lying two-faced hypocrite. You are not even consistent from one comment to the next.

    Reply: #96
  45. Paul
    Yeah, I have noticed. People bloody eat too much !!. Bloody lazy gluttons.

    "If you say no, you are hopeless." - so that makes prof. Tim Noakes hopeless as well. You know what Ondrej, I'll keep his company.

  46. Ondrej
    Your insults signal a clear desperation as you see your LCHF paradigm destroyed.
    Reply: #97
  47. FrankG
    Destroyed? LOL By who? You? Talk about self-flattery and delusion. Do you really think you are making a difference to anybody here?
    Reply: #98
  48. Paul
    Frank, I think he/she Ondrej is unstable (or does it for money).
  49. Paul
    "Since people become obese from eating more than they burn"

    let me put it in this simple way, so we can both understand it:
    1) If I eat energy as fat than I burn this energy much easier than when I eat it as carbohydrates.
    2) If I eat energy as carbohydrates I store this energy much easier than when I eat it as fat.
    3) It seems that when we pass the age say 40 it is much easier to store energy ingested as carbohydrates than when it is ingested as fats.

    If you reject this scenario, you are not only hopeless but also close-minded and unable to critically analyze data.

  50. FrankG
    "Since people become obese from eating more than they burn..."

    You have it backwards...

    "People become obese from storing more fat than they release from stores"

    These are not equivalent statements but the second one is much closer to the truth; which cannot be summed up accurately in a nice neat phrase.

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