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  1. FrankG
    His joke about Dietitians is a little unfortunate as there are many already coming around to the "common sense" side,and many others who recognise the benefit of an LCHF approach in private but are constrained by their practice to promote the "party line". Let's hope these can take it with good humour and realise it was aimed at those who still not only support but are still convinced by, that same establishment party line.

    He certainly pulls no punches when it comes to discussing idiots…sorry experts, tho' :-P

  2. Ondrej
    Sweden will only "get it right" when it surpasses Japan, France and Italy's national BMIs.
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  3. Gluten-freemama
    Just thought you'd find this interesting.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/do-carbs-cause-alzheimers

    A lot of people, here in the states, follow Dr. Oz religiously. Usually he recommends the traditional dogma, "whole grains are good for you."

  4. chilisalsa
    DrOz have come a long way in doing a better show since he had Gary Taubes on the show.
    Hopefully he has also read Pearmutter's "Grain Brain" before hand...
  5. daniel ferreira
    do you have a blog? post some sites that have different views on what you think.
    Reply: #8
  6. sten
    Ondrej, I believe it is now just a matter of time as we have already discovered the only reason France had the lowest Heart disease rates was due to that they really ate fat very close to a moderate LCHF diet all across the country!
    At the same time in Perigord - the home of fats and Fois Gras - it was more like strict LCHF. Perigord has the lowest CVD figures in all of France!
    It is no paradox, it is not due to wine, it is the figures all of us would achive with that much natural fat in the diet. And we would get the BMI down at the same time. I mean we will!
    Reply: #7
  7. Ondrej

    Ondrej, I believe it is now just a matter of time as we have already discovered the only reason France had the lowest Heart disease rates was due to that they really ate fat very close to a moderate LCHF diet all across the country! At the same time in Perigord - the home of fats and Fois Gras - it was more like strict LCHF. Perigord has the lowest CVD figures in all of France! It is no paradox, it is not due to wine, it is the figures all of us would achive with that much natural fat in the diet. And we would get the BMI down at the same time. I mean we will!

    Really? And what's your excuse for Italy and Japan? All 3 are low carb, right!

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  8. Ondrej

    do you have a blog? post some sites that have different views on what you think.

    This one does!

  9. Howard Lee Harkness
    @Gluten-freemama

    "Dr." Oz provides his "nutritional advice" only after wetting his finger and sticking it in the air to find out which way the metaphorical wind is currently blowing. In reality, he knows less than nothing about nutrition, and when he actually says something correct, it is only by coincidence.

  10. FrankG
    Seems to me that the Swedish health authorities are only now starting to recognise the potential benefits of an LCHF approach and not all are even in support of it (some still vehemently against). There may have been a very recent upswing in eating this way but how many do and have done so for the past decade?

    So, how reasonable is it to compare today's state of Sweden's waistline (if such a thing even exists) with BMI data from European countries which (as best I can determine) was gathered in 2008/2009?

    Is BMI even the most important measure of a nation's health?

    Is LCHF only about managing excess fat mass?

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  11. FrankG
    But if you really want a chuckle you should read Ondrej attempting to match wits with Tom Naughton over at Fat Head!

    Although I have to say that in terms of "wits" it was all rather mismatched... I think for Ondrej, a clear case of him bringing a knife to a gun-fight ROFLMAO...

    http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2013/10/17/sam-felthams-second...

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  12. sten
    No excuses! Italy is far behind France and Japan is great in good fermented products that may well be matching low carbs: After all it isn't the lack of carbs alone that does it, it is the lack of blood sugar spikes that our western foods induce that are much more important! Fat does it and some fermented even low GI carbs ca do it. Once the metabolic syndrome reached only LCHF is good enough, but needs regular fasting and/or exercise/ weight loss to reverse it.

    LCHF is one way to avoid blood sugar spikes. A good one. Any others are good too, rated at how close to normal BS the diet is good to limit the spikes. If you google Ann Fernholm and NFAT and Lund and translate the Swedish you would find evidence that blood sugar high over a normal after meals is the normal state of affairs after most western meals, and that they inflict inflammation and damage to blood vessels, one little bit at a time, in a dose proportional manner, usually showing up as slowly rising blood pressure....

    Dr William Davis has on the other side (subtracting plaque) showed in clinical practise that keeping blood sugar from exceeding 5 -5.5 effectively can reduce(!) cardiovascular plaque !
    The overall evidence (adding & subtracting) points to that excessive blood sugar is the single cause of atherosclerosis. (The villified LDL only comes in to repair the damages. A fireman)

    I find this fascinating. Patricularly since my own long lived (7 years!) angina pectoris reversed within 6 weeks (soon 2 years ago!) as soon as I stabilized my blood sugar, which I did through LCHF.
    In less than 6 weeks this condition that was "irreversible" withouth stent or bypass disappeared!
    Blood pressure went from 160 to 130 so far, an indicating side effect.
    Zero medications these days: I was prescribed 7 tablets per day when I was 59 and I'm 67 now.
    Cheers!

  13. Paul the rat
    "....I find this fascinating. Patricularly since my own long lived (7 years!) angina pectoris reversed within 6 weeks (soon 2 years ago!) as soon as I stabilized my blood sugar, which I did through LCHF.
    In less than 6 weeks this condition that was "irreversible" withouth stent or bypass disappeared!
    Blood pressure went from 160 to 130 so far, an indicating side effect.
    Zero medications these days: I was prescribed 7 tablets per day when I was 59 and I'm 67 now.
    Cheers!...."

    The same story (as I mentioned before) with my father, he was destined for by-pass in his late 50-ties, went full strict LCHF, now he is mid 80-ties and more fit than he was 40, did not have by-pass, no more blood pressure, cholesterol et cetera medications. In fact he is completely medications free. People like Ondrej should be prosecuted for 'causing bodily harm with their open access stance on malicious nutritional advice'. I will talk to my friend lawyer, see what we can do about it. I will quote him Ondrej comment/reply #8.

  14. Ondrej
    "So, how reasonable is it to compare today's state of Sweden's waistline (if such a thing even exists) with BMI data from European countries which (as best I can determine) was gathered in 2008/2009?"

    There are in the internet numerous readily available BMI lists by nation.

    "Is BMI even the most important measure of a nation's health?"

    Stats clearly show that cardiovascular disease cancer, diabetes and other illnesses rise exponentially when BMI exceed 25. Based on your foolish comment it's clear that you are over 30 BMI as fat is blocking your brain arteries.

    Is LCHF only about managing excess fat mass?

    excess fat mass = excess disease

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  15. Ondrej
    You are dreaming pal. the comedian could only come up with testimony and not a single shred of science.

    His attempt to discredit science with bad comedy made him look pathetic!

    And, he conveniently omitted all my responses.

    But when you embrace a bankrupt dietary paradigm, your livelihood depends on it and you have a legion of sycophantic zombie followers, everything you say looks good to them.

  16. JAUS
    I can't speak for Italy but Japan is not as healthy people think. The older generation that eat the traditional foods are keeping the statistics up for the country, but the younger generation eats a lot of junk. In Japan starvation diets are popular and anorexia is common among young girls skewing the statistics.

    BMI is not a good mesument of health, just because you're skinny doesn't mean that you're healthy.

  17. Ondrej
    What do you suggest?? you seem like a real hater. Sugar and simple carbs are horrible for a person. do we agree on that??
  18. Billy
    A general comment about the LCHF hype manifested in this blog.
    This diet has been adopted by only one country, a country that happen to have some history of wide adoption of fad science, with an eugenics program running until the 70's. The fact that a diet was adopted by one country does not make it the ideal one, and definitely does not mark a trend of global revision of nutritional guidelines.

    Other than that, I am yet to find an explanation by LCHF supporters to the hundreds of researches that point out beneficial effects of high carbohydrate diet or harmful effects of high fat consumption. For example:

    http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/31/4/847.short
    http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/119/8/1093.short
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383863/
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2796.2007.01774.x/full

    Some of these researches were actually done in Sweden :)

    Another unexplained issue is the fact that the five communities described in the "Blue Zones" book all share high carbohydrate consumption, and most of them share low fat consumption. A bit contradictory to the low carb recommendation, isn't it?

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  19. Zepp
    Well if one think that vegan advocates are the best to explain whats best fore humans to eat then one have to get ones head examined!

    And to the topic of at least Okinawa.. the inhabitants have different wievs of what is there traditional diet then the vegan advocates.. you know they was pig farmers!

    And Japanese scientist altso admit that Okinawian diet consist of more meat and animal fat then other Japanese diets!

    " Nutrient intakes were compared, based on 24-hour dietary records, between a sample from Okinawa Prefecture where life expectancies at birth and 65 were the longest in Japan, and a sample from Akita Prefecture where the life expectancies were much shorter. Intakes of Ca, Fe, vitamins A, B1, B2, C, and the proportion of energy from proteins and fats were significantly higher in the former than in the latter. Intakes of carbohydrates and NaCl were lower."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1407826

    I rather think that Willcox et al have a lot of complicated explanation to do?

    You know a diet mostly by sweet potatoes and pigs are not that bad.. and that not the only thing they was eating.. they had a more varieted diet then you and I can bye in a store!

    "Another characteristic of Okinawan cuisine is its reliance on meat. The main protein sources of Okinawan cuisine are derived from livestock, specifically pigs. "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawan_cuisine

    http://www.bento.com/okimenu.html

    Soo in the case of Okinawa it seems to be moste bogus.. probably in the other blue zones altso!

  20. Maggan A

    So, how reasonable is it to compare today's state of Sweden's waistline

    Swedish average waistline today is still a result from the old dogma. yes LCHF is "hot" in Sweden but not hot enough yet to make a real differense
    . but we will come to there - it is just a matter of time :-)

  21. Arthur H
    I am so glad to see Dr Malcolm Kendrick join us at dietdoctor.com
    He is one of my heroes, one of the "real" doctors that I found on the net when I first started doing research into, "What the hell happened there?" When I had a heart attack back in 2011.
    Now five years on,at nearly eighty three years old, I am enjoying every day, growing all my own vegetables, mowing my lawns and walking every morning with my dog,
    There is nothing like personal experience to sharpen the mind, I have the experience of being on both sides of the fence, heart failure, type two diabetes and a hospital "bug" infection that nearly took my life, then came the realization that none of that needed to happen to me,but it did.
    Check out my success story at Men 40+
    And At Google: "Whatever It Is That You Are Doing, Keep Doing It!" dietdoctor
    If you are not a member, I can "heartily " recommend joining us, as a way of helping others like us.

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