Diabetes Support FAIL

Diabetes Support Fail

This looks like a joke, but perhaps the people behind it do not even realize how sick it is. A “Mega Jug” of Pepsi’s sugar water can send your blood glucose sky-rocketing even if you don’t have diabetes (yet). For a diabetic it’s just a disaster.

Pepsi may have caused more people to get diabetes than cigarettes have caused cases of lung cancer.

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32 comments

  1. What an outrage this is.....I can't really believe that I am seeing this????
  2. Unbelievable! I'd say this is a joke but I'm not laughing :(
  3. Valentina
    This makes me angry!!!! I am diabetic and I would never ever support this crap!!
  4. Funderaren
    Of course they want to find a cure so they can sell more pepsi. They just don't understand that they are the villain in this story, or maybe they do.
  5. Is this real or a mock up?

    Yoni had the same picture a few days ago.

  6. Jon
    @Doc

    Here's the controlled trials, I talked you about yesterday. Just the way you like 'em...

    James Andersson MD, specialized in diabetes care put patienst to low-fat, plant-based experiment. The patients were non-obese diabetics. Out of 25 diabetics 24 were able to discontinue their medication in a matter of weeks. After three weeks his Diabetic 1 patients could reduce their medication 40% on average on the same diet.

    Pritikin Center did similar controlled trial with low-fat (around 10%), plant-based diets. Of the forty person with diabetes 2 (all on medication) 36 were able to discontinue their medication after only 26-days.

    Dr. James Anderson writes "Ideally, diets providing 70% of calories as carbohydrate and up to 70gm fiber daily offer the greatest health benefits for individual with diabetes".

    Anderson JW. "Dietary fiber in nutrition management of diabetes" In: G. Vahouny, V. and D. Kritschevsky (eds.), Dietary Fiber: basic and clinical aspect, pp. 343-360. New York Plenum Press, 1986

    Barnard RJ et al. "Response of non-insulin-dependent to an intensive program of diet and excersise". Diabetes Care 5 (1982): 370-374

    Anderson JW, et al. "Dietary fiber and diabetes: a comprehensive review and practical application". J Am. Diet. assoc. 87 (1987)

    You may also want to check this study which found that increased fat intake was associated with increased ration of diabetes among 1300 people in Colorado. They write

    "The findings support the hypothesis that high-fat, low-carbohydrate diets are associated with the onset of non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus in humans".

    Marshall J et al. "High-fat, low-carbohydrate diet and the etiology of non-insulin dependent diabetes mellitus: the San Lois Valley Study". Am J. Epidemiol. 134 (1991)

    Anyways, Doc. Is it ok for you if I have a little holiday from your blog? You wouldn't mind?

  7. Pablo
    Jon, eres tonto.
  8. Peggy Holloway
    There it is again. The word "associated." Meaningless.
  9. Jon
    Peggy you are hopeless:), the two first studies I referred to were controllod, clinical trials.
  10. Dana
    Jon, taking anybody off junk food is going to help diabetes somewhat. But maybe you should consider that the term "plant-based" is meaningless. Pepsi is plant-based. Everything in it came from a plant at some point.

    Grain is from a plant.

    Sugar is from a plant.

    Vegetable oils are from a plant.

    All of these "foods" are implicated in the development of type 2 diabetes, and worsen type 1 as well.

    Carbohydrate does nothing for diabetes but cause the diabetic to require more insulin, which is great for the injected-insulin manufacturers, but not so great for the diabetic. Unless you are talking about fiber, but nobody needs huge amounts of fiber. A small amount of soluble fiber may be good for gut bacteria (depending on your gut flora type, maybe--we still have a lot to learn about this), but too much fiber reduces mineral absorption, which carries its own problems. An excess of insoluble fiber may even contribute to colon cancer, as excessive cell turnover makes neoplasm development more likely, and fiber increases the rate of cell turnover in the gut lining.

    I would consider a plant-based diet that avoids industrial foods to be a halfway point in between an industrial junk diet and a low-carb, high-fat diet in terms of healthfulness and effectiveness against diabetes and heart disease. It helps, but it does not go far enough, and on top of that you will suffer malnutrition in the long run, especially if the diet is vegan.

  11. Valentina
    I've tried everything to help control my type 1 diabetes and NONE WORKED. Until I tried Paleo. I've been doing it since and now I only have to take my long acting unsulin and only 7 units at night. Plant Based is CRAP CRAP CRAP!!! You want to keep taking lots of insulin go plant based. Eat your grains do whatever you want but I know first hand what it takes to manage diabetes.
  12. molly
    This is for a Family Meal not for just one person. Instead of bashing them why not thank then for helping JDRF raise money.
  13. Valentina
    Are you actually being serious Molly?
  14. Funderaren
    Thanking Pepsi for diabetes care money is like thanking a drugdealer for givit money to drugaddict care.
  15. Valentina
    Well in that case lets be happy that they are helping families become obese and have diabetes while we are at it. YAY PEPSI, KFC, and JDRF!!! Like really lol
  16. Zepp
    Effects of dietary carbohydrate and fat intake on glucose and lipoprotein metabolism in individuals with diabetes mellitus.

    "The dietary treatment of individuals with diabetes remains a controversial issue. The major emphasis in recent years has been on the reduction of total fat and saturated fat and replacement with complex carbohydrate. The rationale for this approach is based on the premise that such diets will reduce the risk of coronary artery disease (CAD) by reducing total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations. In this article, we review the available data and conclude that there is little evidence to support the notion that low-fat high-carbohydrate diets per se lead to any reduction in the risk for CAD in individuals with diabetes. The only data indicating that low-fat high-carbohydrate diets lead to beneficial effects on carbohydrate and lipoprotein metabolism are confounded either by the lack of suitable experimental control, by the fact that diets also differed in the type of dietary fat and amount of dietary cholesterol, or were enormously enriched in dietary fiber. When these factors are taken into consideration, there appears to be little evidence in support of the view that substituting carbohydrate for fat in the diets of individuals with diabetes results in any measurable beneficial effect. Indeed, it could be argued that the most characteristic defects in carbohydrate and lipoprotein metabolism are exacerbated in response to low-fat high-carbohydrate diets."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1959471

  17. Zepp
    Persistence of hypertriglyceridemic effect of low-fat high-carbohydrate diets in NIDDM patients.

    "Although low-fat high-carbohydrate diets are recommended for patients with non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM) in an effort to reduce the risk of coronary artery disease (CAD), the results of short-term studies have shown that these diets can lead to changes in carbohydrate and lipid metabolism associated with an increased risk of CAD. This study has extended these earlier observations by determining the metabolic effects of such diets over a longer period in these patients. The comparison diets contained either 40 or 60% of the total calories as carbohydrates, with reciprocal changes in fat content from 40 to 20% consumed in random order for 6 wk in a crossover experimental design. The ratio of polyunsaturated to saturated fat and the total cholesterol intake were held constant in the two diets. Plasma glucose and insulin concentrations were significantly (P less than .001) elevated throughout the day when patients consumed the 60% carbohydrate diet, and 24-h urinary glucose excretion more than doubled (0.8 vs. 1.8 mol/24 h). Fasting plasma total and very-low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) triglyceride (TG) concentrations increased by 30% (P less than .001) after 1 wk on the 60% carbohydrate diet, and the magnitude of carbohydrate-induced hypertriglyceridemia persisted unchanged throughout the 6-wk study period."

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2539286

  18. Barb
    Yeah, the obese woman who sidled up to me at a gathering in April and asked how I had lost my weight (41 lbs) and then proceeded to start lecturing me about a plant based diet was a little taken aback when I smiled and said, "Yeah, that's a load of crap." and popped another grilled shrimp dipped in roasted red pepper mayo into my mouth.

    Jon, give it a rest.

  19. Margaretrc
    Jon, If my type 1 diabetic son switched to a low fat, plant based diet, his blood sugar would go through the roof and he would need to up his insulin doses multiple times. Anyone who tries to say that diabetes of any kind can be "cured" or alleviated by switching to that kind of diet knows nothing about basic biochemistry and how the body handles the glucose that all those carbohydrates get turned into and released into the blood stream. I don't care how many "studies" you cite, it doesn't change the physiological facts.
  20. Jon
    It's rather ridiculous how people are talking about "physiological"-facts even when they are shown the exact opposite in the form of controlled clinical trials.....lol.

    LCHF = Religion

    It really is sad how all the valuable information from diabetes care prior to medicalization is lost. People have it 180-degrees incorrect. Most adult-onset diabetics have perfectly functioning pancreas, what they have is too much of trafic jam.

    “Anyone can readily convince himself that, in a suitably severe diabetic who is sympton-free for days of weeks (after fast) and on a fixed diet, the addition of some quantity of butter and olive oil to the diet will bring back the glycosuria, ketonuria and other symptoms immeadiately or within short time”

    Allen FM. Prolonged fasting in diabetes. American journal of the medical sciences, 1915:159 (4)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFai4iVOtk

  21. Jon
    I could also clarify that the official "low-fat" of 30% is ofcourse as naive treshold as an advice to 3-pac/day smoker to lower to 2-pac/day and expecting the health of the smoker to improve. The 30% fat is still 300% more than Japanese, f.e have traditionally consumed. Diabetic has accumulated fat in his/her system that's been there for years, going from the standard 40% to 30% will do very little change.

    Now, I am tired of discussing with misled & misinformed religous fanatics. I need a break.

  22. Jon
    @Zepp

    To prevent and cure Diabetes one needs to eat like the starch-eating populations who never tarditionally had diabetes. These are trimmest and healthiest people on the planet. (Rural Asia, Rural Africa, Rural South-America). That is, to go high on starch/whole-carbs (or fruits - veggies provide very little calories but they are good for fats and minerals) and low of dieteary fats and protein. It's ridiculously simple. It's the only diet which also reversed coronary heart-disease in a condition that meets the most rigorous scientific scrutinity. Check out Ornish's and Esselstyn studies, success rate with Esseolstyn was no less than 100%.

    Be healthy and thrive eat lot & like the rural Asians eat, if you want to become thoroughly sick with short life span eat like an Inuit, LCHF.

  23. Kärnfrisk
    The helthiest people in the world would be the massai people in Africa. And what do they eat? Meat, blood and milk. That's it. And inspite no toothbrushing, they have strong, withe teeth. How about you planteaters, how often do you brush your teeth, Jon?
  24. Zepp
    Dear Jon. there is no such a thing as cure diabetes t2 and t1!

    There is not a singel case in the medical literatur, there is only different ways to manage it.

    And a high carb diet only worsen it and so says the sciens to.

    And we don give a damn if the food is plant based or animal based, its all about macro and micro nutrients, essentiall nutrients, and ther is vegetarian that eat LCHF to!

    "Conclusion A low-carbohydrate plant-based diet has lipid-lowering advantages over a high-carbohydrate, low-fat weight-loss diet in improving heart disease risk factors not seen with conventional low-fat diets with animal products. "

    http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/169/11/1046

    People that come with arguments as "Plant based" dont now much about nutritents!

    Plant based could be everything from poisonous plants to coconut oil.

  25. Margaretrc
    Jon, what do you mean by "controlled clinical trials"? The ones you list above don't describe the control group results. Without a control group, results are meaningless. It's a mystery to me how a valid controlled clinical trial can give results that contradict the physiology of glucose metabolism.
  26. Alexandra
    Gosh.. Jon and folks like him might feel better if they increase their intake of health giving fatty meats and eliminate all the starches in their diet. Back when I didn't know better and ate only low fat and "plant based" foods, I too was generally grumpy (and always hungry.)
    I am now over 100 pounds lighter, very healthy, full of energy and can go 4-8 hours easily between meals. Jon, it's not what's eating you, it's what you're eating. My best wishes.
  27. Dan
    LOL! A few months ago I participated in a JDRF fundraiser walk called 'walk to cure diabetes.' I renamed it 'walk to cause type 2 diabetes' after witnessing tables loaded with crackers, soda, sandwiches, juice, and every other sugary snack you can imagine. It was almost tragically funny.
  28. Margaretrc
    #27 @Dan, Oh my. How sad! I wonder how many of them actually got the irony of it.
  29. Margaretrc
    #20 @Jon, "It's rather ridiculous how people are talking about "physiological"-facts even when they are shown the exact opposite in the form of controlled clinical trials.....lol." Again, controlled how? You don't provide links to the studies you cite, so it is a little difficult to check into them to see how the study was carried out and what the results were. The video you linked is just an excerpt from the movie "Forks over Knives", which is based largely on The China Study, an observational study. Many have shown that the conclusions drawn by the authors of the study are not based on the data they collected, but on their own biased interpretations. That's not science.

    "LCHF = Religion"? LOL We don't troll vegetarian and vegan sites and try to convince people like you that our way is better. Yet you are on this site trying to do exactly that! If you don't agree with what you read here, feel free to "take a break from us 'religious fanatics'" and start your own blog. Believe me, we will leave you alone. But if you chose to spout your religion here, don't act surprised that we are not prone to convert. Many of us have tried your way already and discovered that it doesn't work.

  30. Jon
    @Alexandra

    "Back when I didn't know better and ate only low fat and "plant based" foods, I too was generally grumpy (and always hungry.)
    I am now over 100 pounds lighter, very healthy, full of energy and can go 4-8 hours easily between meals. Jon, it's not what's eating you, it's what you're eating. My best wishes".

    Don't worry, going on "a low-fat plant-based" barely works for no one if you do it the Western-way, it ends up almost all the time on about 30% of "low"-fat-intake, calory deficit, etc. People having eaten the way they have for all of their lives have hard time succeeding on a diet that takes wholly another paradigm. It takes work, preperation and dedication. That's why usually only the sickest people, the ideologist and athletes will succeed in this kind of a diets since they are the most dedicated to the cause.

    I frankly do not care how you commentators eat or what do think about these studies and "physiological facts", I just merely posted them for DietDoc who can utilize this information to his patients or atleast inform them about this kind of possibility. Low-fat plant-based diet is the only diet which has not only prevented but reversed coronary heart-disease (Esselstyn & Ornish) with ridiculously high success-rate. It has been documented to have done excellent job with many autoimmune diseases as well. This is million-dollar information for all MD's out there.

    And no, you don't have to be a vegan, any doctor can benefit greatly from the information the China Study is providing. From the book you can f.e learn that providing milk to osteoporosis-patient makes her/his condition worse, yet most doctors around the West will do exactly this mistake.

    Anyways, all the best, may you succeed on your diet, whatever that is.

    ps. I am well-carbed up today, so I am not grumpy anymore :)

  31. Margaretrc
    @Jon, "Low-fat plant-based diet is the only diet which has not only prevented but reversed coronary heart-disease (Esselstyn & Ornish) with ridiculously high success-rate." Blanket statements like that are risky to make and show a lack of awareness--or unwillingness to consider--information that contradicts one's cherished beliefs. Whether or not it's been successful at all, it is certainly not the only diet that has succeeded in preventing and reversing heart disease. Drs. Eades have had a great deal of success with their "Protein Power" plan, Dr. Atkins had plenty of documented success with his program, and I'm sure there are plenty of others who have succeeded in reversing heart disease with a diet other than a low fat plant based diet, including the doctor on whose site we chat. Metabolism and genetics enter into it, too.
  32. Kärnfrisk
    The brain is made up almost entierly by fat. Of course, if you eat low fat the brain will get damaged. This is propably the reason why wegans in general get so rabiate. Their brain and body is craving animal fat for maintance of the body and brain. ;-)

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