1. Lori Miller
    I don't get the demonization of fast food restaurants. What's the difference whether you get a burger, fries and soda at a fast food place, a family-owned restaurant, or buy CAFO meat, frozen fries and a liter of soda at a supermarket?

    Since this is a LC blog, wouldn't it be more on-topic to show similar pictures of waffle houses or bakeries or pizza and pasta joints? At least you can get a LC meal at most fast food places.

  2. Stu Ward
    Lori, If you're still eating fries and soda, you don't get it anyway.
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  3. Carol
    Lori, If you find any "Do Not Enter" signs in front of those restaurants, please do post them.
  4. Lori Miller
    Stu, I don't eat fries and I only drink diet soda. I throw away the bun if I get a burger. You're missing the point.

    Carol, I'd be glad to post such signs, but I'm not likely to see signs in front of bakeries, waffle houses, etc. since I don't go there.

  5. Kathleen
    Lori, I think the answer to your question is an issue of quality vs. quantity. Food is more than a set of macronutrient ratios and diet is more than a weight loss tool. Yeah, you could get a bunless burger at McDonald's and still be eating a low-carb diet, but the important difference is in the things you're getting and not getting. With a fast food burger, you can be getting any array of chemicals and fillers with a biochemical impact and you're getting feedlot, corn-fed beef, which can be treated with hormones, antibiotics, which you then eat. You could probably lose weight on a low-carb McDonald's diet, but it wouldn't necessarily make you healthier. Since this blog approaches diet as a wellness tool, I think it's an important post and distinction to make. :-)
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  6. Lori Miller
    Kathleen, you're assuming that food from other restaurants or a supermarket is better. For the most part, it isn't.

    Being prone to upper GI problems and sensitive to certain additives, I've checked the ingredients at the fast food places I go to. I can eat certain things at these places without getting sick. At places where I can't check the ingredients, it's a crap shoot.

  7. Hu Man Being
    Dear Lori, the demonization of fast food restaurants is a complex subject and I wish you every sucess in your quest to understand. The answer to your first question, there is no difference. Your statement that this is a LC blog is incorrect and the 'on-topic' has no relevance in your reply. The answer to your second question, the post is not about comparing different food outlets but more about making people aware of the 'irony' of the signs that have been placed by the companies that sell food. If you believe that you can get an LC meal at most fast food places then maybe just slightly you could have very just misunderstood the blog... anyway good luck!
  8. FrankG
    It just might be worth noticing that the original photo says "Best Advice Ever!" while Dr Eenfeldt's title says "Best Advice Ever?" In my view, perhaps a subtle but significant difference... changing emphasis into enquiry :-)

    Sure it is possible to get a low-carb meal at a fast-food restaurant -- I do so myself on rare occasions when I am traveling for work and there is no other choice --- is it the best way to eat LCHF? Probably not.

    I don't see "demonization" here... I think some perspective and dare I say, a sense of humour is in order.

  9. Marcy
    I see the funny side of this and it is hilarious not to mention clever. I don't know why I never saw this before!
  10. Murray
    I simply find the food is of generally low quality and is cooked using methods I would never use given a choice. That said, yes it is possible to do okay low-carb. However, that is not what they are about. They are about making money, and they make more money selling carbs.

    I just listened to an interesting interview with Dr. Nicole Avena, now at Columbia conducting neurological research into obesity. Her research (which started at Princeton with neurological studies of lab rats and addiction) nows clearly that sugar is addictive for humans, whereas fat is not. The physical and behavioural withdrawal symptoms from sugar addiction are very similar to nicotine withdrawal, for example. The use of added sugar in foods, such as hamburger buns which already have a high glycemic effect from the starch, is insidious because it gives the sugar fix addicts crave. Thus they might eat two burgers to get enough of a sugar fix from the buns. Worse, a person withdrawing from heroin addiction does not see heroin billboards everywhere. But a sugar addict sees brand logos that corporations spends billions ingraining into the preconscious brain, which for a sugar addict instinctively indicates potential relief from the discomfort of sugar craving.

    So for someone in the sugar withdrawal phase of a low-carb, high-fat diet who sees a fast-food logo, DO NOT ENTER.

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  11. Clint
    Lori Miller, diet sodas contain aspertane, not good for the brain.
  12. Galina L.
    It is not the best advice at all. I appreciate the most in a LC diet its versatility, what can't be said about the diet which uses principle of a "food reward". BTW, I cook every meal in my house, but I understand that for the people who don't, or super-busy, or grew-up on a prepared food, switching from the standard western diet to a LC diet in a fast-food restaurant could be very easy - just skip the bun, fries and a sweet drink. I routinely do it when I travel. Of course McD and the rest exist to make a profit, like any store or a regular restaurant, but fast-food places have way more LC choices than a more upscale coffee-shop like a Starbucks. They are adjusting well selling what customers demand - nowadays they know what LC burger is, unlike Starbucks where on the question, do you have something to eat without flour and sugar the staff usually would say "I am sorry". Only very recently they started to sell pucks of nuts without added sugar.
    Logo of a regular groceries store could also cause salivation for a sugar addict because there are even wider selection of junk there.
    While my son was growing up, burger places with playgrounds were excellent places to have fun during too cold or too hot weather.
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  13. Murray
    Good points. I am not saying no one should go to a fast food place. My comment was directed toward people trying to beat a sugar addiction. Going into a fast food place for them is like a porn addict reading Playboy magazine for the articles. At least at a supermarket people normally don't eat at the store--it is not "fast" food and so not a quick fix. If a person can't wait to get home from grocery shopping before breaking open the chips, better let someone else do the shopping until the sugar addiction is conquered.

    We also took our kids to fast food places for the tunnel structures, to get them creeping and crawling (cross pattern movements), especially with long Canadian winters. However, every other time we left quickly because the structures were too greasy from kids eating French fries and then playing on the structure. (This might be a Canadian problem due to the long winters and lots of kids in fast food playgrounds.) We spent more time at dedicated play structure facilities which were much cleaner.

    Starbucks is terrible for feeding sugar addiction, but they are in the addiction business, which they appear to have mastered. I see lots of people lined up at Starbucks every morning. My wife was dragged to one by a colleague recently. She wanted some tea with milk and the server pushed Chai tea. My wife had not had this before and asked if it had sugar. The server was not sure because it was a packaged mix (so she said). So my wife got it. She had a couple of small sips and found it very sweet. She got back to her office and googled the ingredients. 40 grams of sugar in a medium Chai tea. My normal morning blood sugar is 75 mg/dL. With about 6 litres of blood, that is 4.5 grams of sugar in my blood. Imagine the metabolic impact of drinking 40 grams of sugar between meals, which is 9 times the amount of sugar in my blood. Quite the fix for a sugar addict.

  14. Galina L.
    I mentioned the weather not randomly in the relation to the fast food places playgrounds - we lived in Alberta, Canada before moving to Florida.
  15. Mark
    Interestingly adding "sugar" to a strachy food often has the result of result of reducing the GI. Even if it dosn't it will almost certainly reduce the total amount of sugars present.

    Polysaccharides are the most "dense" in terms of mmol/g of sugars. Which is why it's nonsensical to demonise monosaccarides and disaccharides (sugars) whilst promoting oglisaccarides and polysaccharides (complex carbohydrates) as somehow healthy.
    Especially ironcially amylopectin tends be very rapidly hydrolised by the human digestive system, even though it is the most complex carbohydrate humans can digest. Last to be hydrolised are the hetero disaccharides sucrose and lactose.

    What both chemistry and biology would indicate is High "Carb" Low "Sugar". Is about the worst form of HC. It would actually make a lot more sense to throw away the "cake" before the "icing" :) (If you are not going to get rid of both.)

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