1. Zepp
    Roses is red.
    Bacon is fat.
    Poems is hard.
    But bacon is good.
  2. Margaret
    Caution: Earlier this week I had a scope done and bile was found in my stomach. I had my gall bladder removed a few years ago; there may be a connection. My very low carb, moderate protein, higher fat diet will be the other contributor. Since then I've lowered fat intake considerably, and increased carbs a little bit to compensate, and hope the bile related symptoms respond. If you have gall bladder or liver disease, keep a close eye on how your body responds to higher amounts of fat. Moral.... bacon may not be your friend after all.
  3. Zepp
    Do you mean a leak in the abdominal cavity or in to your guts?
    Reply: #4
  4. Margaret
    Had a hiatus hernia repair scoped; bial was found inside the stomach. Not sure if there is a leak involved.
  5. Zepp
    Is it in your abdominal cavity.. its a leak!

    They often put a stent in ones bile duct, to make the bile have a better drainage in to your guts.

  6. LeonRover
    Roger that.
  7. FrankG
    As I understand it: there are sphincters (ring muscles) at the top and the bottom of the stomach to keep the digestive process in the right place and flowing in the right direction.

    An hiatal hernia can lead to a partial, or intermittent failure of the top one and shows with symptoms like acid reflux, especially when lying down.

    Given that a failure of these sphincter muscles is a "mechanical" issue I fail to see the connection between eating bacon and increased risk of these occurring? Although I can accept that a dietary change might help with the symptoms if such a mechanical issue arose.

    I hope you find a resolution soon Margaret... without meaning to pry, I wonder if there were any symptoms related to the bile in the stomach?

  8. FrankG
    I found this, written by "Mayo Clinic Staff"


    "Bile reflux may be caused by:
    ... Gallbladder surgery (cholecystectomy). People who have had their gallbladders removed have significantly more bile reflux than do people who haven't had this surgery."

    I suspect that your Doctors were "singing from the choir sheet" -- working in the assumption that if dietary fat leads to secretion of bile, then less fat = less bile. Common advice (as I understand) for someone with gall bladder issues...

    But with an healthy gall bladder, why is less bile better? And are we really convinced that gall bladder issues arise out of eating natural fats, or is it yet another problem with the modern industrial diet?

  9. Tia
    I tried this:
    Roses are red.
    Bacon is fat.
    Poems are hard.
    Need bacon and lard! ;-)
  10. Margaret
    I don't have the full story yet on what is happening; I have a follow up appointment next month where treatment will be discussed. It was I who made the connection between fat, bile production in the liver without the gall bladder to store it being a factor, and the need to cut back on fats to see if the symptoms would improve.

    I do know that the original hiatus hernia repair is coming undone, so yes, there's possible mechanical issue... except that the affected valve is at the top of the stomach. There's no sign of a valve problem at the lower end. Currently I don't have an explanation for the presence of bile. My working "theory" (of my own making) is that because my diet is high in fats, my liver is producing high amounts of bile. I don't have a gall bladder to store the extra bile, so somehow there's been seepage in to the stomach itself,

    The symptoms are reflux symptoms presently, but there has been a long history of symptoms, most of which I can't really pin down. I've had periods of intense, systemic discomfort in bones and muscles which may have been associated with bile production and drainage issues... but I attributed those symptoms to hyperparathyroidism (probably incorrectly). I've also had foul black stools, possibly related to tearing at the upper end of the stomach, but I'm not sure about bile involvement.

    Did cutting back on fats help? Yes. It was feeling as if I had an inflated balloon in my chest. It's better now.

    My doctor hasn't had the chance yet to decide on his song book. At this stage its just me, trying to find something that will give me some relief. I'm still working on keeping carbs as low as I can while focussing on vegetables, fish as my protein source, and reducing my fat to a few grams a day.

    It is really easy to go overboard on carbs without the fats for calories, and there's lots of adjusting involved. I have lost 44 pounds in a 10 month period with LCHF, and am very concerned not to regain. I have another 50 to go before I'm in the "normal" range, so I have to find something that works while this all gets figured out.

  11. Tooticky
    @Margaret: sorry to hear about your news. I have learnt a lot from your past comments and I hope you find more answers soon. I just read (skimmed through) Sally A. Rogers's book No more heartburn... (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1575665107/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?ref_=pe_217191_31005151_dp_1) and it had some interesting points that I thought may be useful for you. Only you will know for sure though and I hope it won't be a total waste of time (if you get a chance to look at it). I wish you have a healthy and a happy New Year!
  12. Celeste (Porto) Kelsey
    Roses are Red
    Bacon is Red
    Poems are Hard
    Bacon is Avant Garde!

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