The Diet Debacle

What’s the root of all dietary evil? Two beliefs, according to a new article from dr Robert Lustig: A calorie is a calorie, and You are what you eat:

The Diet Debacle

I tend to agree with most of what he says, but I’m skeptical to the idea that it’s always a bad thing to mix carbs and fat in a meal. It may be true that food in nature is either rich in fat of carbs. But our ancestors have probably eaten more than one kind of food at the same meal for a long time.

As long as you stay away from processed and high-sugar carbs I don’t think it’s a problem for healthy people to mix some unrefined carbs and fat – potatoes and meat for example. Unless of course you’re trying to lose weight or improve your diabetes etc., in which case the potatoes are out.

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  1. Chuck Currie
    Linda is spot on. Keep government out of it - they're the ones who got into this mess in the first place.

    My family thought I was nuts too - but, now that I have not only survived 4 years of this insanity, but thrived, they're coming around. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a good example is worth a million. Right?

    Here's my theory on how to educate the masses (it's the pebble in the pond, or butterfly, effect) First, don't tell anyone what you're doing when you first start out, especially your mom (you know what I'm talking about), because you'll get nothing but push-back, and someone will tell your mom and then she'll tell your doctor - and that won't end well.

    Then carry a before picture of yourself, with a list of your previous ailments and meds on the back, along with a general outline of your prior diet. Show it to the skeptic, tell them what you eat now, how little exercise you do, what ailments you still have (if any) and then, take off your shirt.

    They can either believe what the government, the medical industry or conventional wisdom tells them; or they can believe their lying eyes.

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  2. Donna E
    I think we low-carbers--like the public health community in general--would do well to remember that dietary recommendations for "healthy people" are not the same as dietary recommendations for overweight people, and that the latter account for two-thirds of the adult population in the U.S.! So in the same way the public health mantra "eat more fruits and vegetables" fails to help those two-thirds of the population, neither does the idea of "safe carbs." And it seems to me that the main proponents of "safe carbs" are not people who have had serious weight problems.
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  1. mezzo
    Our ancestors, I am sure, ate whatever was available and probably ate as much as they could stomach. But they depended on hunting their meat and they couldn't be sure that every hunt was successful.
  2. Irene
    the only carbs i eat are those found in fruit and veg, i find when i eat bread, pasta, rice or potatoes with fat and protein i lose control of my diet, whatever is in that high carb food just doesn't keep me satiated for long
  3. Please can you do a blog post about fruit. My wife and I are trying LCHF but can't decide what to do about fruit which we both enjoy, especially in a salad with yoghurt for breakfast...
  4. Sam,
    Fruit is candy from nature. Treat it as such if you want to lose weight etc. – as an occasional treat.

    Berries are lower in sugar, so they may be a better choice.

  5. panny
    This is a very interesting topic... I'd love to see the actual science and research on how sugar/carbs makes fat bad. This is an important part of the jigsaw... does it somehow oxidize the fat? Is there a threshold of quantity? Does it depend on the glycemic load?

    What do you know so far about this Andreas?

    I'm pretty sure some broccoli with your meat isn't going to kill you :)

  6. Linda
    Dr. Lustig's goal is government regulation of sugar as a toxin. To this end, his scientific language is quite strong and his public stand about never ingesting sugars/carbohydrates is all directed to government control of sugar. The problem with this scenario, is food companies will just change the formulation of sugar or high fructose corn syrup. This new substance will have some adverse affects on the body that scientists discover long after the new foodstuffs become commonplace. Education is the key and people should be able then to make their own decisions about what their diets should include as energy. Secondly, when it comes to eating carbohydrates/natural sugars/fruits, everyone's body metabolizes these carbohydrates differently and keeping a food log is one way to determine your own tolerance for these foods.
  7. Peggy Holloway
    Have you all read the latest post on Stephen Guyenet's blog? It appears to me that he is trying to defend fructose as being perfectly healthy and arguing that fructose from fruit should not be restricted. The whole argument seems specious to me and this final statement is the most absurd thing I've ever read.
    "** If fructose is fattening due to its ability to become fat, then dietary fat should be even more fattening because it doesn't have to undergo an inefficient conversion process-- it's already fat."
    There seems to be many things inane about this statement, but I don't have the scientific vocabulary to properly offer a rebuttal. Anyone?
  8. Ondrej
    Well, fructose ability to convert is just one trick. I think it's too specific, we can't say its the only problem with fructose. Skinny on obesity covers fructose in a simple way, but well. Basically it behaves BOTH like sugar and fat due to easy conversion, but primarily it's sugar with all it's effects. I feel the statement above oversimplifies the metabolic path of fructose...correct me if I'm wrong.
  9. Chuck Currie
    Linda is spot on. Keep government out of it - they're the ones who got into this mess in the first place.

    My family thought I was nuts too - but, now that I have not only survived 4 years of this insanity, but thrived, they're coming around. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a good example is worth a million. Right?

    Here's my theory on how to educate the masses (it's the pebble in the pond, or butterfly, effect) First, don't tell anyone what you're doing when you first start out, especially your mom (you know what I'm talking about), because you'll get nothing but push-back, and someone will tell your mom and then she'll tell your doctor - and that won't end well.

    Then carry a before picture of yourself, with a list of your previous ailments and meds on the back, along with a general outline of your prior diet. Show it to the skeptic, tell them what you eat now, how little exercise you do, what ailments you still have (if any) and then, take off your shirt.

    They can either believe what the government, the medical industry or conventional wisdom tells them; or they can believe their lying eyes.

  10. Donna E
    I think we low-carbers--like the public health community in general--would do well to remember that dietary recommendations for "healthy people" are not the same as dietary recommendations for overweight people, and that the latter account for two-thirds of the adult population in the U.S.! So in the same way the public health mantra "eat more fruits and vegetables" fails to help those two-thirds of the population, neither does the idea of "safe carbs." And it seems to me that the main proponents of "safe carbs" are not people who have had serious weight problems.
  11. Violeta A.
    What confuses me in Dr. Lustig's article is the part where he says that if you eat mostly carbs with very little fat it is ok, too. Does this not defeat his main argument, i.e. all carbs=sugar=bad? Or is he singling out only the sugar as the vilan? How about full fat dairy products, for instance. They do have a lot of fat + some carbs (more than in meat&fish) but the process of fermentation by which they came about is quite natural. Also, some nuts that are high in fat are also high in carbs and they are natural, too.
  12. BA
    @ Violeta A.

    The argument that Dr. Lustig is making is that the "healthy" or "indigenous" high-carb diets are high in glucose and not fructose. He objects to sucrose specifically (or its metabolic equivalent, HFCS) on the basis that the glucose content utilizes the glycolytic liver pathways simultaineously to the fructose utilizing the lipolytic liver pathways.

    I'm skeptical of this theory that metabolizing fats and carbohydrates together is necessarily deleterious to health, although there is a corroborating point in "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" by Phinney and Volek that shows that the negative health effects of saturated fats only occurs at >35% energy intake from carbohydrate, and that the demonization of saturated fat is a case of extrapolating a trend over a range that it does not apply to (specifically that in the prescence of low carbohydrates, saturated fat is preferentially metabolized).

  13. Alexandra M
    "They can either believe what the government, the medical industry or conventional wisdom tells them; or they can believe their lying eyes."

    "Yes," they'll say. "You look great, but your arteries are probably clogged with fat and your kidneys are about to fail any day now. And maybe your ailments got better, but it might just be temporary. It can't be a healthy diet for the long term - everyone knows that. Four years isn't long enough to be sure..."

    And on and on. My friends won't even ask me anymore how I'm losing weight without cycling 35 km per day the way they do, because by now they know what the answer will be. Nope. Even though they're hungry all the time and not losing weight, they're going to eat less and exercise even more. And if that doesn't work, the plan is to get appetite suppressants.

    *sigh*

  14. Naydka
    I read all your comments and just think..all of you are on HFLC diet for long time and you losing weight fast. I listen dr Lustig and many more dr on this site and.... I don`t understand why it doesn`t work with me. Im on this diet for 1 and half month and I don`t see any changes...just I think Im bigger :(
    Some time ago I wrote here to help or give me any advices but...nothing special I read here. Only that I must wait more time; 1 month is not enough to see changes in my weight...is it right?
    I eat what I read here in site for begginers... only carbs I eat are nuts and veggies.

    If I can ask you to give me some advices, tips or anything to help me with my problem I will be very appreciate.

    Thx :)

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  15. Ondrej
    Naydka: Sleep is very important. Try to get at least 8, better 9 hours. Go to sleep before midnight, I go at 10 o'clock. Reduce stress, especially in areas that it doesn't affect your job etc. I don't watch news, don't have 28 hobbies, try to simplify everything, get rid of any unhealthy habits and addictions. Also try to keep the temperature at home rather low, about 21 Celsius, and don't wear too warm clothes. Walk at least a little bit every day. You can also try high intensity weight training twice a week. Visit http://www.baye.com for great, reasonable no-nonsense info on that type of training. More muscle mass is great long term...and it improves all health aspects. That's about everything you can do. Diet is still the most important, but this helps...
  16. Ondrej
    Naydka: Also be sure you are hydrated enough, although there is no need to go crazy and drink too much. Just don't be thirsty. Drink water, tea, sometimes cofee, avoid too much of mineral waters, maybe occasionally if you need...certainly not every day.
  17. Ondrej
    Naydka: It's also important to get enough omega 3. It really helps. You could consider supplement. But only the supplements with "fish tissue" work, not isolated omega 3 supplements.

    That's all I've ever found in this field that actually can work. If all this doesn't work in few months, visit your doctor:D

  18. Naydka
    Ondrej thank you for your fast answer.

    Ok, tell you that I working out 5 days a week it intensive interval training for 12 minutes but believe Im almost dying after that. Do this since 1st january this year and :( any good effects ), start going to walk to my work ( its 30 minutes very fast walk) and back home the same way but not so fast ( don`t have too). I`m going to do nordic walking in the evening if only I find 1 or 1,5 hour to do that.

    About sleeping... its 8 hours miniumum ( I love sleep ;) )

    Dring 2 coffies every day with cream 30% fat and green tea but truth is not much water...

    And all about these things Im still big as I was in the begginig of this year.

    Thats why Im asking about any help to understand..what am I doing wrong?

    Try my best but it doesn`t work ... or my body is "tough" and stubborn and keeps me waitting long time but how long must I wait to see any moves in my body weight ??

    Help!!!

  19. Ondrej
    Naydka: You are most certainly overtraining, which can actually stop your weight loss! Don't do that. I'd say that high intensity training twice a week is enough, even once a week produces results and minimizes stress, which is essential. When your body is stressed, you can't lose weight. Remember that exercise is a damage, your goal is the stimulus to the body, than can be very short but intense and a LONG ENOUGH RECOVERY PERIOD of few days is when all good things happen. You need to feel great, above the line most days of the week, then you know you don't overtrain. From what you say,you do everything right, the rest I mentioned is rather details and tuning. But you have to drastically reduce your training.
  20. Ondrej
    I'd like to add that in my view, high intensity WEIGHT training - bodyweight, dumbbells, machines is much safer for the joints and with less risk of injury than high intensity interval training like running, tabata burpees etc. It uses slow, controlled movement, so it's a great, safe training for almost everybody. If you do it safely, with intensity, good techinque, progressively and INFREQUENTLY, it produces long term results and healt benefits.

    Book Body by science by Doug McGuff, MD explains the theory well. There is also a chapter on weight loss, that basically says all I mentioned above and it's core is paleo diet.

  21. Naydka
    Ondrej

    Thanks a lot for your attention. You are right ... I always ( don`t stop) think about my weight and the reason I can`t lost even 1 kilo... for sure it makes me stress and stop all effects.
    Ok, I change my routine in training to 2 times a week and than just see will be better or not.

    What do you think... I can see some 9 a little ) changes in weight if I change my routins or can you tell me how long did You wait to see that you losing weight?

    Thax again :)

  22. Ondrej
    I'd say continue what you do, low carb diet, reduce training, sleep well, walk sometimes, keep positive attitude and try not to be stressed by the things that surround you and even actively get rid of those things:-) Even internet an information addiction is in this area and is very stressfull. I for example follow just 4 internet pages, deleted FB, Twitter and don't miss anything. If you already follow the diet, you won, and all you need is a little tuning here and there and to keep consistency.
    I hope you don't "fight" with your diet and you are already accustomed to it, because that's a life-time, life changing thing...I think you can see results quickly if you reduce training volume, but can't really give you a number...

    Well, I never needed to lose weight, my focus was originally more on exercise, high intensity training, which led me to paleo-low carb world. Now I am implementing most of what I say..I certainly see improvements in happiness, strength and my mind is clear. I am generally more optimistic and calm than I used to be. I even lost some weight, but as I train and gain muscle, I can't focus on pure kilos...it's much better to watch your fat percentage, your feeling...look at top hockey players. All are obese according to BMI index but that just doesn't reflect their amount of muscle mass...I wish You good luck and never give up!

    P.S. I know it may sound strange, but remember: The idea that you train more and you gain more is the same like "fat makes you fat". Sounds nice, but is simply not true. Recovery is the key.

  23. Naydka
    Again thank you for information and advices.

    After 1,5 month I treat LCHF diet as a part of life and style of eating...not "fight". Since I aet fat I don`t have any cravings as I had before ... I was addicted for sweets ...a lot. Now, when I want crunch something I take nuts and it`s ok for me. Even I don`t eat as much as before ... feel full after eating 2 eggs with mayo for example. It`s good I think.
    One favor to you ..paleo diet .. everybody talk about that but I don`t know what is that mean exactly? Is it the same what LCHF diet ??

    I don`t wanna give up bc I tried many diets and it works only for while or not at all...so I will continue what I have started ..LCHF life style.

    Thans for good and optimistic words :)

  24. Ondrej
    Paleo diet is a diet inspired by what are we "designed" to eat...well, when I look at modern LCHF and sensible Primal diet by Mark Sisson, I don't see any difference. Some Paleo authors exclude dairy, there is a debate about saturated fats etc..I actually don't have enough information, but from what I know, LCHF and Paleo are closer than ever. The problem with Paleo is..it is widely used term and some people call their diet Paleo and it's completely different...and many of them focus more on exact emulating of paleolithic diet, I prefer those who focus on today and on principles.
    But even this site leads to some "Paleo" sites, doctor Eenfeldt interviews Paleo authors and usually says their books are "good"...:D Paleo is in fact low carb, as it was impossible to eat high carb in the past.
  25. Naydka
    Found book by Loren Cordain "Paleo diet" in polish language :D...tomorrow I will go and buy it to have more inspiration to cook some different meals not only eggs and fish and chicken :D

    Thank you a lot Ondrej :)

  26. Murray B
    Is Lustig's point that insulin is secreted in response to dietary carbohydrates, which would cause direct storage of the fat consumed in the same meal? But protein and fat is a common natural combination and protein causes insulin to be released as well.
  27. Galina L.
    I want to add to the discussion that in some folks with insulin resistance their liver is too good in making sugar while they eat minimal amount of carbs, I suggest blood sugar monitoring should be more wide-spread. Some guys have to eat some carbs in order not to get into a deep ketosis in order to prevent too intense glyconeogenesis by their liver.
    Sometimes it is not so simple like less carbs consumption equals less blood sugar.
  28. Alexandra M
    Naydka - The other thing is, how big is "big?" Some people see the stories about people losing 100 lbs in a year and think, "Hey, I've only got ten pounds to lose so that should take me about a month." But it doesn't work that way. As Gary Taubes has said (somewhat depressingly) the diet will make you as thin as you can be, not necessarily as thin as you want to be.

    I hear you about the training! I, too, spent a year and a half working out five days a week (for an hour) with a personal trainer (she varied the workout so I wasn't working the same muscle groups two days in a row) and did cardio for 20 - 30 minutes afterwards and I think I might have slowed my weight gain, but that was about it.

  29. tooticky
    Hi Ondrej, you made some interesting points. Very valuable. Can you elaborate why too much mineral water may not be good? And how much is too much? I have recently started drinking it as I'm cutting down my wine intake ;) I like the taste of mineral water so I'm curious on hearing more about any downfalls its consumption may cause. Thanks in advance.
  30. BA
    @ Murray B

    Dietary protein causes both insulin and glucagon to increase.

    Adipose cells get a mixed signal as they get both the stimulus to take on and release serum glucose and FFA's (unlike dietary carbohydrate, which raises insulin and not glucagon).

    Skeletal muscle does not respond to glucagon, and thus only gets the anabolic effect of the insulin from protein consumption.

    In quantitative terms, the insulin rise due to dietary protein is very modest compared to refined carbohydrates specifically, or really any carbohydrates in general.

  31. Zepp
    Naydka.. it took me thre months befor I lost any weight att all!

    Probably moste becuse I didnt react right on my bodys signals about hunger.. I did eat like before of old habits.

    If you speak Polish.. you always have dr Kwasnievski.

    http://homodiet.netfirms.com/diet/optimaldiet1.htm

  32. Ondrej
    tooticky: We recently had a discussion about drinking water that is rich in minerals during our patophysiology lesson. However I don't have any concrete data to backup this. In fact, the water from your pipe contains enough minerals. I'd say 0.5 l of mineral water a day out of 2.5l total shouldn't cause problems and is ok, but it depends of how much mineralised it is, if you are healthy...Mineral water puts heavy load on your kidneys. You accept minerals in food, if you add one or two glasses of mineral water a day, you are ok. You shouldn't avoid it completely, I just wanted to say that bigger amounts are risky...I am not a doctor yet, just a medical student, maybe Doc will tell you more.
  33. Ondrej
    I found that for everyday's use, the water should contain under 500 mg/l of minerals. It's good to change producers (composition).
  34. Confused
    Hi Naydka,

    The overtraining tip is a very good one.Don't feel upset - many women struggle with weight loss at first, esp. if you are heavy. It can take time! Be patient and love yourself.

    Another good thing to do is just quickly log your daily menus for 2-3 days just to get a sense of how you're really eating.

    It's not necessary to count calories on LCHF; still a baseline is good to have. In general strive to eat between 1500-1800 calories a day. In that zone we know you can't be over-eating.

    You can use fatsecret.com, that's a very easy online food log - and it's free!

    After you've seen your actual diet figures for a few days, then you know where to tweak. A good ratio for many people is to try to eat 65% fat, 25% protein, 10% carbs. This ratio is a basic one that allows most people to lose weight. You may need to experiment to find the exact ratio that works for you, however. :)

    If you keep your calories in right range, and have a nice ratio, and stop overtraining, then we know you need more advanced help.

    If after 2-3 weeks of the above you're still not losing weight, you might need to cut out all dairy and nuts. Try that for 1 week. If you still don't lose, then you should go to the doctor.

    At the doctor, ask for an estrogen test, a thyroid test, and a blood sugar test. You may be unable to lose because of hormone or blood sugar issues. The doctor can tell you whether you will also need thyroid or hormone medicine to balance your body so you can lose weight.

    If your blood sugar comes back high, you may need a little metformin - many women do.
    I hope this helps sketch a basic path forward for you! :)

    Don't give up. You can be successful on LCHF! :) Good luck.

  35. Risalu
    Well discussing if you can eat carbs and fat int the same meal is for sure interesting but if you eat LCHF its not really a problem..

    Think the big problem starts with what they recomend you to eat. In uk people are so scared of fat and I try hard to convince my relatives there to reduce the intake and at least read up on Low Carb (cant mention High Fat that makes them almost agressive)

    this for example is from sugar nutrition UK (should those two words att all be put togheter?)

    "The other, and probably simpler, way to calculate our daily carbohydrate needs is to first work out how much we require, depending on the number of hours of exercise we do, and then multiply that by our weight in kilograms. For example, if someone weighs 60kg and exercises for about an hour each day, their daily carbohydrate requirement would be: 60 x 6 = 360g of carbohydrates.

    The bulk of our carbohydrate intake should come from the starchy sources such as bread, rice, potatoes and pasta and the remaining from more sugary sources such as sugar, fruit and juices."

    http://foodservice.silverspoon.co.uk/home/sugar-facts/sugar-and-health / http://www.sugarnutrition.org.uk/default.aspx

    Youre doing a great job Doc, in Sweden you come a long way but in England if you try to talk about low carb (HF) its like trying to climb Mount everest in flip flop sandals.Pretty hard I tell you but its a good challenge and they need more people like you!

  36. SharonV
    Naydka, it's taken me a while to lose weight too. I stopped worrying about the weight though, because I am seeing other benefits. My skin is clearer, I have more energy, I have less body odor, and I fart less. Let me tell you, the less farting the better, I've been a fart machine since I was a kid. I have lost weight, 15lbs, but I only had 40lbs to lose.
    In other words, try not to focus only on the weight. Try to notice how different foods make you feel.
  37. Alexandra M
    I've hesitated to share this, because the blogger is a little kid and I don't want anyone trolling her. But, boy, I would have rated a lot of her lunches a lot lower healthwise!

    http://neverseconds.blogspot.com/

    Look at some of those offererings!!

  38. Alexandra M
    *offerings*

    *another sigh*

  39. terrence
    Peggy Holloway, May 28 15:26

    I would not pay attention to much, if anything, of what Stephen Guyenet says.

    What you refer is silly - "** If fructose is fattening due to its ability to become fat, then dietary fat should be even more fattening because it doesn't have to undergo an inefficient conversion process-- it's already fat." Maybe he was being ironic and trying to be funny.

    Apparently, if someone disagrees with what Guyenet writes, they get banned from his web site. It seems this happened to Dr Jack Kruse some time ago.

    I don't read Guyenet's blog any more - there are far more informative and open-minded sites.

  40. Margaretrc
    @Peggy Holloway, I agree with @terrence. I don't read Stephan's blog any more. It just gets me upset and I don't need that. None of what he says makes any sense.

    I think a lot of sugar/starch carbs with fat can be bad, but I really don't think anyone following a low carb way of eating has to worry about combining fat and carbs, especially the carbs we mostly eat.

  41. moreporkplease
    "I tend to agree with most of what he says, but I’m skeptical to the idea that it’s always a bad thing to mix carbs and fat in a meal. It may be true that food in nature is either rich in fat of carbs. But our ancestors have probably eaten more than one kind of food at the same meal for a long time."

    Andreas,

    I really distrust this article's editing. Because it's not what we've heard Lustig say for a couple of years now. This would be a big change for him, and it's unconventional - when he is very much a conventional guy. As you would expect, since he's a mainstream guy who has to get mainstream funding for his research at a major mainstream university.

    Apart from his war on added sugars, he is very much into conventional nutrition - he's famously said he doesn't think low-carb is good because it's "extreme." He definitely believes in the basic MyPlate - hearthealthywholegrains and all that. He's also said more than once in his talks of youtube that fruit is fine by him - it's only refined sugar without fiber he's against. Fruit comes with its natural fiber, so he's fine with that.

    His point about the mix of fat and carbs isn't to prevent people from eating meat & potatoes! Of course not. His reference is to the Twinkie - that's the mix of carbs & fat he's referring to. When he discusses protein & carbs & sugar, he's referring obviously to the Big Mac (fast food/junk food with added sugar - the Big Mac has a lot of sugar in the bun). When he talks about carbs & fat & salt, he's talking about potato chips. None of these are "natural" foods, they're all processed foods. No one doubts they're bad for us.

    And of course he's on his long roll against sodas and those fake juice "drinks" that are mostly added HFCS. But he can't call out these huge corporations that make these products by name, because he's a mainstream guy at a major university that gets a lot of funding from corporations & foundations. So he has to use these circumlocutions.

    But we all know what he really means: He wants to tax junk food, fast food, soda, and juice drinks in an effort to discourage consumption.

  42. Galina L.
    @moreporkplease,
    I think, some things Dr. Lustig said in his interviews make more sense if we remember his work with obese children. Probably, just cutting complete junk may be enough to put a growing child in the right direction. Adults with IR have to go through more limitations.
  43. tooticky
    @Ondrej: I remember reading from "The art and science of low carb living" (by Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney) that low carb diet changes how kidneys work. Obviously, the kidneys function will stay the same ;) but their ability to shift salt changes. Instead of "keep hold of them" they should be able to pass it through more effectively. However, please don't take my word for it, I haven't checked this again and knowing how reliable memory can be... I just remember reading something along these lines (if my memory serves me right). Are minerals treated in a same way than salt?? My common sense says that salt is a mineral too. I don't know, it may be that you are able to find out as your studies progress. I love learning new facts so thanks for taking your time to reply.
  44. Naydka
    Thank all of you for your opinion and advices :) I`m very appreciate for that.

    Want to tell you that I`m 1 and half month on LCHF diet and I see any results till now. In the beggining was 2 kilos down but after they came back. Maybe the balance of water changed.

    I was in my edocrynologist doctor because I have problem with my thyroid ( underactive - I don`t know how it calls in english) and I take letrox 125 every morning to make my body works good.
    I ask him about this diet and he told me it`s the worst thing I can do. He proposed me to try dr Ducan diet - pure protein diet ( no fat and carbs). I tried this almost 2 years ago and I couldn`t stand with that for long time and lost not much also.

    That`s why I want to try LCHF diet and be happy and healthy and maybe loose some kilos. i wish to lost 15 kilos ...will be great.

    Alexandra - I understand what you mean big and big meaning ;). I don`t compare myself with somebody else and how much they lost weigh. I remember time when my weight was 60 kilos thats what I want now .... hope will be ;). I never was so thin but this 60 kilos will make me happy.

    Thanx all for support :)

    sorry for my english.

  45. osteoDH
    Almonds are rich in fats and have carbs too!
  46. I posted the following concern on my Facebook page:

    Is anybody aware that there is a large group who, with support of the federal government, are recommending that kids, starting from birth, drink a beverage that is 40 % sugar. And the sugar is a disaccharide, like sucrose, with not just glucose but also a chemical modified form of glucose, the 4-epimer of glucose, that must be metabolically converted before it can be used for energy. In addition, when kids withdraw from this drink they are likely to go into ketosis. Is nobody concerned about this?

  47. Richard,
    They do tend to gain a bit of weight on that beverage, right? :)
  48. nisse
    Naydka,

    just keep your daily carbs below 25g (proteins 1g/kg of your ideal weight) and weight loss will come without any exercise!

  49. Hi Naydka,

    I am having a very similar problem to you and my weight is stuck absolutely at 61kg. Following Atkins originally got my weight down from 72kg to 58kg. At Christmas I over indulged in 'bad' foods and put the extra weight on and now I cannot seem to lose it again! It is basically just flab around my tummy that won't budge!

    I have just switched from Atkins to Primal/Paleo. I am keeping the carbs to 20-25g net carbs a day. I cut out all artificial sweeteners, all wheat and this week I am cutting out dairy apart from butter from grass fed cows. I am also starting with cod liver oil supplements and vitamin D as I live in Scotland where we don't get much sun exposure for much of the year.

    I am also just starting out on The Primal Blueprint fitness plan which can be downloaded free from Mark's site http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

    I am hoping that with implementing these changes, I will see an improvement in a few weeks. Though my weight has not changed yet, I am feeling better with more energy and my life long acne is also improving.

    Di

  50. Galina L.
    @Diane Smith #49
    If your strategy will not be enough, add to that eating withing a 8 - 6 hours window (for example first meal at 10am or 12 pm , last one at 18 pm), limit times when you eat to 2 - 3 a day, eliminate all snacks, once a week try to fast 20 - 24 hours by delaying gradually your first meal. It took me from 2 years long weight-loss plateau.
  51. Thanks Galina. If needed I will try your strategies as well.
  52. I think Dr. Lustig makes a compelling case for government intervention for better biochemical and nutritional education for doctors, especially pediatrician.
  53. Mike R
    Dear Naydka,

    I'm no expert. I'm just a 59 year old fat guy with type 2 diabetes who has had some success with LCHF.

    Here's what I >>DON'T<< eat: sugar -- not even 1 lump in my coffee; no potatoes or the sweet/starchy vegetables, such as corn and carrots, etc. No trans fats! No partially hydrogenated anything! No margarine! My rule is, if it's a man-made fat, it's probably poison. No fruit juices or soda, ever. No bread or pasta. (>DO<>realistic<< hope that in a couple of years, I will weigh 189 lbs, having lost 100 lbs.
    And it won't even have been that difficult! I haven't even started exercising regularly yet! Maybe after I get a little lighter...LOL

    I would steer clear of low fat or high protein diets -- no one can do them forever because they make you feel like CRAP! Also, I've read that too much protein is very bad for your kidneys. You can do LCHF from now on and feel great!

    I hope my story has encouraged you in some small way.

    Mike

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